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Save your money on “Scent Control”

More food for thought. Everyone talks about using milkweed but if your hands smell like gas because you just filled your tank on the way to the woods, then aren't you just sending out a constant scent cone of "I'm a human and I'm hear to kill you" billboard of scent? Yes I realize most of us probably wouldn't do that but just an example. You could have the smell of scratching your groin or some other "human" scent on your hands and be broadcasting it though.
It’s this exact reason that I wear nitrile gloves when I am pumping gas and attaching the gas tank on my jon boat when I use it to go hunting. No matter what I wash and scrub with it takes like 2 days to get the scent of gas off my hands :sweatsmile:
 
Worrying about scent control added a layer of stress/anxiety to hunting. Not to mention, I had no real evidence that my efforts made any difference.
Hunt the wind as best I can, but above all, do what makes hunting the most enjoyable.
 
Worrying about scent control added a layer of stress/anxiety to hunting. Not to mention, I had no real evidence that my efforts made any difference.
Hunt the wind as best I can, but above all, do what makes hunting the most enjoyable.

Yeah, I would sometimes sit in the tree and imagine I stunk like horrible BO to a deer and that it was just wafting through the woods.

I take some precautions, but I'm not crazy with it anymore.
 
Anyone try the new activated carbon soaps to compare them to the old school standbys like Dead Down Wind, etc. that are more like a typical soap but with enzymes or other magic?
 
Anyone try the new activated carbon soaps to compare them to the old school standbys like Dead Down Wind, etc. that are more like a typical soap but with enzymes or other magic?
You mean you don’t go out in the woods smelling like a fresh bar of Irish springs? Lol

I was wondering the same thing if that activated carbon soap worked any better than the pine sap and charcoal natural soap I have at the house. I tried the dead down wind soap. It didn’t smell like anything but it was just soap. I tried the body wash too and it dried my hair out so bad that I swore never again. So I am curious about activated carbon (charcoal) soaps
 
You mean you don’t go out in the woods smelling like a fresh bar of Irish springs? Lol

I was wondering the same thing if that activated carbon soap worked any better than the pine sap and charcoal natural soap I have at the house. I tried the dead down wind soap. It didn’t smell like anything but it was just soap. I tried the body wash too and it dried my hair out so bad that I swore never again. So I am curious about activated carbon (charcoal) soaps

I use the clear hypoallergenic scent free gel antiperspirant. The hunter stuff doesn't work and you stink like BO. I also rub the gel on my feet and it really helps to keep your feet from sweating.
 
You mean you don’t go out in the woods smelling like a fresh bar of Irish springs? Lol

I was wondering the same thing if that activated carbon soap worked any better than the pine sap and charcoal natural soap I have at the house. I tried the dead down wind soap. It didn’t smell like anything but it was just soap. I tried the body wash too and it dried my hair out so bad that I swore never again. So I am curious about activated carbon (charcoal) soaps

Hahaha! I just planted 5 fruit trees recently and the deer were getting after them. Cut up bars of Irish Springs soap, drilled a hole through them and ran twine through them and hung the chunks in the saplings. No more deer problems.


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I could see that being relative but on a much much lower scale. I mean unless you’re constantly dealing with 30 to 40 mph winds and hills that are constantly dipping and rising as opposed to gradual rolling style hills, I couldn’t imagine the wind having as many determining factors as white water rapids though. I think I understand the similarities though. We go white water paddling about once a year in SC near the Ga border and occasionally in NC/TN. I am by no means an expert at that and have never read a book. Only a hobbyist. With that said which paddling book would you recommend both as someone who enjoys white water paddles occasionally and who also wants to better understand how it relates to the wind?
I'm certainly not the 1st hunter to compare wind to water in a stream. There are lots of similarities in the two but they aren't all hard-fast comparisons, only general guidelines of how they compare.
Light winds can sometimes be as much of a challenge to read than the 30-40 mph winds.

"Path of the Paddle" by Bill Mason is excellent. Keep in mind that a paddling book has a lot more in it than just reading the river so it may seem like the book covers things that have no relation to wind.

One thing that is seldom mentioned in these threads is the effect that friction has on wind speed and behavior. Structure, cover seams, even the ground creates friction as the wind contacts it it it does change wind behavior on a micro level. The shoreline of a river creates a similar behavior. In both cases water and wind has a tendency to slow, and corkscrew as it passes along solid objects. It might be almost imperceptible during low, slow volume or more pronounced during fast wind/water.

The concept of wind friction is evident with milkweed when standing on the ground versus being in a tree. Floaters often seem to want to go grounded within a few yards when releasing them from ground level. That's the effect the ground has on air flow...the friction slows the wind and pulls it downward. Release a floater from 15 feet up and it tends to travel much farther...less wind friction higher off the ground.

And advanced whitewater paddling is more than just getting the canoe down the river without flipping. No stream is 100% rapids the entire length. It's extremely complex with a wide range of currents and interactions of those currents. And changes in CFS (like wind speed) can make a huge difference in flow behavior. Sometimes it doesn't take much of a change in flow to substantially effect behavior. Slippery Rock Creek in W PA is an example of how a slight change in CFS can completely change the character of water currents and rapids. The same can happen with wind. It doesn't always take a huge change in wind speed to effect surface wind patterns.

Being able to read eddy lines and micro currents can mean the difference between a well controlled path down the river (playing eddies and other current features) and a hair-raising blunder through the rocks and rapids. The same can be said about hunting wind behavior. It's highly complex and being able to "see" wind eddies, thermals, and how they interact can mean the difference in knowing which stand will work for a given day and which will be a bust on that day. Sometimes the difference between being winded and eating your tag, versus narrowly remaining undetected leading to a hero photo is only a few yards different.
 
Talking to our K-9 LEO at office, approx 3 hours after a person has laid tracks is what he was taught is best time for his Malimois to track scent. Not sure how that correlates to a deers nose but ya, stop wasting money on water in a spray bottle haha.


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Anyone try the new activated carbon soaps to compare them to the old school standbys like Dead Down Wind, etc. that are more like a typical soap but with enzymes or other magic?
There's a whole lot more to showering than just what kind of soap you are using.
All of this odor reduction stuff comes down to an accumulation of small details.
I'd be curious to know just how many hunters really shower well. It's not a matter of just standing under the water and soaping down and rinsing off while the water is running on you. That's certainly not killing bacteria as effectively as you could.
Wet down, turn the water off, and soap up head to toe. Then exfoliate with a luffa sponge or other such type of cloth. Sometimes I do it twice.
Don't skip over areas like the corners of your nose, eye lids, soles of your feet, between the toes and "other" areas. Scrub it all, scrub it well, without the water running.
We've all read the shampoo bottle..."lather-rinse-repeat". Have you ever noticed how much better the "repeat" lathers up? That's because you're eliminating oils better. The same oils that hold bacteria that produce odors. Hunters...lather-rinse-repeat.
 
So I’ll list another story of how scent control worked for me. Evening of Oct. 30th 2014 Pennsylvania I got in my stand (before I saddle hunted) in a thick bedding area. Saw a small 8 point cruising around 5pm. A few small doe meandered by in front of me then disappeared into the brush. Thirty minutes before dark I did a short rattling sequence and heard a deer running right in front of me. I hurried and put my antlers back in my pack and grabbed my bow but by this time the noise stopped. I stared in that direction but nothing came any closer. A few minutes later I heard foot steps behind my tree. It was two adult doe that obviously heard me rattle. They came in extremely slow sniffing anything and everything. They stood at the base of my tree motionless until right before last light and turned back to where they came from. As I grabbed my bow to lower it down I heard footsteps coming back in front of me where they had stopped earlier. It was the 10 point I was after. He walked to my left 12 yards away on the same trail I walked in on. Double lung and he went down in sight. If I didn’t have a good scent regimen I’m almost certain the two doe that stood below me would have smelled my thermals from the dropping temperature that evening. The buck also never stopped or spooked on the same trail I walked in on. If those doe had spooked my hunt would have been over.
 

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i see no point worying about scent control at my current newbie level. i'm more concerned with sweat and sound control. I can't take 5 steps without sweating, seemingly regardless of the temperature so it doesn't make much use what i spray myself down with before i walk in, i basically need to bring a second set of clothes in a bag to change into in the tree.


edit: yes i know, spray THOSE ones down.. but i'm not there yet. may not ever be.
Merino wool against the skin...... hot or cold helps moisture wicking and warm in the cold. Pricey but works well. Amazed me how much.
 
Scent reduction works st just that...reduction. Most hunters that I know aren't going to be fanatical about it. Time and money probably prevent some of this. Do what makes you feel like you are helping with smell....can't hurt. Wind in my face and deer up wind works for me for sure! Its really not worth and disagreement at all. Odor reduction products work for the most part but if you can't see the molecules....how can you know where they are going? Milkweed floaters tell you where pretty close to what is going on. But that's not 100 percent. As far as I can say.......do what you want and stay down wind as much as possible and I don't think you will be detected. Period. Entry and exits are another story of scent reduction too......products do help!
 
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