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Scent control regiment and FACTS about activated carbon

I havent been hunting elk very long but what I have determined is that all of the really experienced elk hunters are correct, you can not beat an elk's nose. In the scenario you are talking about I would hunt off the ground until the thermals switch and get steady and then climb. But if you do not have the wind either by direction or thermal lift I would not hunt the spot especially early in a hunt risking blowing them out of the area.
 
Anyone have any facts/opinions on camo dust? I started using it about halfway through the season last year and had a lot of success with it. I had bucks walking circles around my tree within 15 yards and they never smell me or gave any indication that they smelled me? So I'm convinced that it works, on top of a disciplined body/clothing scent control process.
 
I know older post by John Eberhart and a lot of stuff already said . I have been using Scentlok since they first started 30 plus years ago and must say from day one have always seen more deer. The Face mast most important. I still do watch the wind ,wash under clothes in scent free soap ,shower and brush teeth scent free soaps tooth paste. I do spray bottom of rubber Bogg boots with wildlife research or dead down wind I also rub bottom of boots in dirt way before I get to stand . Store everything air tight cabela's roll up bags and in totes. I reactivate in dryer every one to two weeks unless I sweat a lot then do more often . Really never wash unless have to . I don't go to high in tree and hunt only public land so sent control a must . I hunt for food not really for bone but have harvested my share of decent bucks . I have had deer within inches of me through the years . Don't get me wrong I have been winded many times but usually when I cut corners or use something new like boots or pack that I did not use scent control on and or wind shifted .Really what I came on to say is I mainly buy the product because for the price the clothing is well made well thought out for bow hunters and you get added scent control . If you get on there Email list you get some fantastic deals. I just wish they would make an insulated coverall or somebody would make . I think it would be great for saddle hunters also . I am no way affiliated with them wish I was then get the stuff for free :)
 
Do people really believe this crap, no doubt John is a great hunter but it has been scientifically proven that unless you can hold your breath for hours on stand deer will smell you. Shawn
 
When I'm out hunting I have my scent lok full head cover on which includes covering my mouth and nose so I am always breathing into the mask part.
 
Well. I wont comment on scent control products.
All i will say is you will never beat a deers nose 100%
 
So here's my question...how do you know you are beating the deer's nose? I say this because all I do is play the wind...no sprays, no scent-lok...nothing, and I have deer get in close all the time, and sometimes the wind is blowing directly at them. Just so you know where I'm coming from, I have captured >700 deer for research purposes. I have probably darted more deer than most hunters will shoot in a lifetime, and if you have never darted deer, the range of the dart gun is about 20 yards max. Needless to say, I've spent a lot of time in tree stands with deer at archery distances observing what they do when they catch my wind, and what they do when I think they should be catching my wind but don't. In fact, just last week I had deer come in from directly down wind of me. They didn't bust. They fed at 10 yards behind my stand and passed through the area as calm as could be. I don't know why they didn't wind me because the wind was blowing directly at them, but they certainly did not act like they caught my wind. Had I been wearing the sprays and the clothing, I probably would have given those items credit, but I wasn't, so it had to have been pure luck, or they smelled me an just didn't care...or perhaps my wind may have been blowing in their general direction, but not reaching their noses down at ground level. Regardless of the reason, this happens often, and I can't help but think that people who wear all that stuff give the sprays and clothing too much credit.

In a scientific study where researchers tested the effectiveness of a scent-lok full body suit there was no significant difference in the amount of time it took a search dog to find a subjects wearing a scent-lok suit versus the controls (http://www.jstor.org/stable/3784224?seq ... b_contents). On myth busters, they tried to beat a blood hound's nose using a wide variety of techniques including the sprays and clothing hunters wear (including rubber boots)...they failed miserably. Drug sniffing dogs can detect drugs wrapped in layers of hunting clothing no problem. If a fellow hunter farts in camp while wearing scent-lok clothing, does it not stink? That alone should give reason to be skeptical. Unfortunately, none of the sprays or clothing have been tested against a deer's nose in a controlled setting. However, a deer's nose, has about 100 million more scent receptors than a dog.

I'm not here to discredit you, these are just the facts. I can't argue with success, and you certainly have the trophies on the wall to prove your success, but you also have a few things all successful deer hunters have regardless of their gear...you have passion, patience, a strong work ethic, above average knowledge of deer, and some pieces of ground to hunt that have big deer (can't kill 'em if they're ain't any there...right?). I think those things alone contribute to your success and will continue to do so throughout your life regardless of whatever clothing or sprays you choose to use, but that's just my opinion. As for me, I'll continue to be skeptical until these products start beating a dog's nose...or at least until my I can't smell my uncle's farts in deer camp :) .
I recently saw that a bloodhound’s tracking skills may actually rely on picking up disturbances in the ground rather than purely picking up human scent. If that is the case, there is no hiding it with rubber boots or any technology. A good analogy is to think of freshly cut grass and how strongly that smells. A dog and deer are picking that up on a much smaller scale (crushed vegetation in footprints). I’ve been doing a bunch of research on scentlok lately as well. From what I’ve gathered, my personal opinion is that it does not eliminate your scent. But it may help to absorb some of it which may help you buy an extra couple of seconds to get a shot off before the deer spooks. It seems they can tell the difference between fresh scent and old scent, and this could also be a difference maker. Bottom line is that all hunting clothes are expensive, why not at least buy something that may have a slim chance of buying you an extra couple of seconds lol
 
I'm not going to enter into the scent control fray as there are strong opinions on both sides and I respect John Eberhart immensely but I also respect Dan Infalt a great deal. I'm no fanboy of either but respect how each of them get it done. Two polar opposites when it comes to scent control and whether it is effective or not.

As a trapper and bowhunter with limited time, I have come to realize that you should try to be as "reasonably" clean as possible as it will help somewhat but in the long run, hunting with the right wind in your favor and the use of thermals is the most important thing to spend your time on. It requires some thinking and estimating skills and sometimes it still doesn't work but neither does scent control. I'd rather save my money or spend the money I have saved on not buying expensive hunting clothes on other gear and more guns and bows. You can never have enough of either.
 
Old thread but please save your money!! Hunt the wind, definitely watch your ground scent, evercalm or a spray eliminator may help. Also remember in different parts 9f the country and even different hunting areas deer react differently to human scent. I had multiple encounters with deer from spike to well over a dozen 140"s or bigger. No real scent control other than hunting the wind and being careful how I enter an area. It's your money so spend how you want, just I feel it can be better spent on gear and gas, and hunting trips and tags!!
 
Old thread but please save your money!! Hunt the wind, definitely watch your ground scent, evercalm or a spray eliminator may help. Also remember in different parts 9f the country and even different hunting areas deer react differently to human scent. I had multiple encounters with deer from spike to well over a dozen 140"s or bigger. No real scent control other than hunting the wind and being careful how I enter an area. It's your money so spend how you want, just I feel it can be better spent on gear and gas, and hunting trips and tags!!
Save your money you say but then suggest Evercaim and those (not much more than water sprays). Those are a waste of money imo. I've been wearing Scentlok for years and can't even remember the last time I got busted.
 
Evercalm is an actual scent that is proven to work, as for sprays I said may help. Scent- Lok has been proven over and over again not to work. Lost law suits in fact. Again unless you cannot breath and wear it on your feet and seal every opening where your scent could escape it still does not work. As I said, keep wasting your money!!
 
Guess my deers noses don't work... or I'm a much better hunter than I thought :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy:
Haha I agree. I think that my scent control regiment works for me when I shoot a deer. But I wonder how many deer smelled me and bolted that I never knew smelled me in the first place. Lots!! So wind and simply luck plus hunting hours play in as big factor of my success. If I think I can overcome a deers nose completely I think I have an ego problem.
 
Evercalm is an actual scent that is proven to work, as for sprays I said may help. Scent- Lok has been proven over and over again not to work. Lost law suits in fact. Again unless you cannot breath and wear it on your feet and seal every opening where your scent could escape it still does not work. As I said, keep wasting your money!!

Sounds like Nevercalm would be the ticket then. Can't hunt the wind if there ain't no wind.

What I think is awesome is how Scentlok has been scientifically proven to work and not to work. lol. Makes it fun.
 
Sounds like Nevercalm would be the ticket then. Can't hunt the wind if there ain't no wind.

What I think is awesome is how Scentlok has been scientifically proven to work and not to work. lol. Makes it fun.
It’s funny when you’re successful it gets attributed in your mind to something like a recent magical hunting purchase. It’s like you say,makes it fun…for some of us anyway.
 
How about everyone just hunt however they want to hunt and leave each other alone about it. If you want to hunt with scent control(I personally do) then do it. If you can do it without it then good for you, go stink it up. I don’t know why we insist on arguing about this for the 800,000th time.
 
By the way I have not used Evercalm or sprays in a long time but do believe they work. I hunted several states this year. In Nebraska I had a buck smell me from 800 yds away. I stay clean, keep my hunting clothes clean and if you know me which some do, I kill more than my share of good deer. Believe what you want, believe Eberhardts garbage if you want. Show me one actual scientific study that scentlok works. Not just a bunch of guys saying it does. Just look at the science and what activated carbon really does and how it actually works in certain applications. You will see it has real no use in controlling human scent ecsp to mammals like dogs, deer. Sorry just keep dreaming!!
 
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