Schwabisch hitch

[Chrighton]

If you mean how much tail I think 1-1/2in is enough, but watch that bugger routinely because if it slips through your in for a ride potentially.

 

[Brocky]

I have a newbie question. How long should the ends be from the knot to the carabiner? After I did the knot the length of the two ends seemed short. But after using it hunting on the tether there's 4 1/2 inches from knot to carabiner. That seems like too much.

The length between the hitch and the eye knots doesn’t effect the function of a Michoacan, but it will for other hitches like the VT and Distel. Tails on knots generally only need to be about five times the diameter of cord or rope.

 

[CharlieTN]

Here’s how I have my Schwabisch Hitch setup. I’ve never tried the Michoacán but will soon but I imagine that the same lengths would work great. I’ve found that with keeping the length of rope from the carabiner to where the actual knot goes around the tether on the shorter side causes the knot to grab quicker. It’s a tricky thing though, if you get that length too short then the knot doesn’t release very well if hardly at all. One good thing about tying in the two tag ends to the carabiner this way is that they don’t each hold a whole lot of weight (1/2 to be exact) so they’re relatively easy to loosen and adjust so your can play around with the length until you find that sweet spot.

As others have mentioned, you do need to check the knots at the carabiners. Poachers and other similar knots can slip on themselves some if you’re not careful. You should check all of your knots in the system every use anyway. They are a weakness in the system that can fail and when they do there are dire consequences.

 

[katiesmom]

Are you calling the ”hitch” the knot, or are you referring to the knots the carabiner runs through and the length from those to the hitch? I too don’t have the correct answer. I know from trial and error (safely hanging in my basement) the longer those are the harder it is to get the hitch to tend, but it shouldn’t change how it bites. Are you running the swabisch or Michoacán? I’m running a short bridge, so it’s not as big of deal for me. Even still, I’m keeping mine pretty short, plus running my 11mm tether back through my biner to serve as tender. The actual loose tags coming out of the knots on the biner are at least 4-5”. I can grab the tag, and it comes out the other side of my palm. I’ll take a pic of my setup tomorrow.

I'm using a schwabisch. And yes, from the knots the carabiner runs through and the length from those to the hitch.
My tags are not that long.

Sounds like I need to adjust both.

 

[katiesmom]

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The length between the hitch and the eye knots doesn’t effect the function of a Michoacan, but it will for other hitches like the VT and Distel. Tails on knots generally only need to be about five times the diameter of cord or rope.

O what i get is shorten the distance from the hitch to the carabiner and increase my knot tails
Thank you Gents for the help.

 

[newoldguy]

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O what i get is shorten the distance from the hitch to the carabiner and increase my knot tails
Thank you Gents for the help.

It looks like you are using poachers knots at the carabiner. Consider a scaffold knot which has another turn and is therefore less likely to slip. if you are shortening the length from hitch to biner this will also help use that excess tag end. Be safe!

 

[katiesmom]

It looks like you are using poachers knots at the carabiner. Consider a scaffold knot which has another turn and is therefore less likely to slip. if you are shortening the length from hitch to biner this will also help use that excess tag end. Be safe!

Thank you I dont mind safer!

 

[Newhunter1]

I've been a big proponent of the schwabish hitch since I first started using it. About the same time I found the schwabish hitch I learned how to do the distel hitch. In the same family just finished off differently. I use the distel hitch now over the schwabish hitch more and love it. However looking at the michocoan and testing it out in my basement. I've got to say that while the schwabish, the distel and the michocoan are started the same way...all three end differently. I feel that these three are very easy to tend, however last year I used the schwabish to rappel down out of the tree and found that when it binds up tight...it is a lot tougher to get down the line. The distel hitch releases easier, but I just trided the michocoan and it releases easier than the other two. I use the Oplux, the safeguard and a distel hitch on my right side as an autolock hitch. I'll be switching my safeguard and autolock with the michocoan hitch. I'll keep the safeguard for once I get to the hunting height to rappel down when done. This is a great hitch to incorporate into my system.

Also, if you are tying a schwabish or distel...that length works great for the michocoan hitch.

 

[swampsnyper]

I’m really liking the Michoacán hitch. Just got to be sure to set it initially or sometimes it slips. After the first set on oplux it has always set. And it has never binded where it didn’t easily released when I wanted it to. It’s better than my ropeman on a linemans belt.

 

[beej32]

I tried the Michoacán this past week and went back to the distel hitch. I loved how easy it is to tend, but the fact it didn’t bite well by default forced me to change.

I tried 4-1, 5-1, and 5-2 variants, but each left me slowly sliding down my tether at times (which makes you thankful for having a stopper knot when one sticking). This was with predator rope and 9mm accessory cord. Ymmv.

 

[davecarp]

man i just tied the michoacan and it's great. releases well, bites super well using a 7 mm Bluewater VT prusik cord w/ sewn eyes. Same issue when tying the VT is that cord is just too long.

 

[doriangable]

I went to Michoacán at the beginning of season and I love it. I have mine wrapped 4 over 1 and it grabs very well. Especially after being set multiple times now over the season. I’m using 9mm HTP and 6mm TRC and they both work well together. I noticed that I can move it under load once, MAYBE twice and then it grabs and I’ll have to relieve tension and move it again if I want. With that being said I almost never move my tether height once I’m set up and settled in.

 

[swampsnyper]

I’m really liking the Michoacán hitch. Just got to be sure to set it initially or sometimes it slips. After the first set on oplux it has always set. And it has never binded where it didn’t easily released when I wanted it to. It’s better than my ropeman on a linemans belt.

I'm using oplux with the 5.5 beal kevlar cord, https://doublesteps.com/product/beal-kevlar-5-5mm-cordelette/

I don't like it on my tether because its too far down my tether from the tree to where my bridge starts.
For my linemans, If you hold the 2 top loops of the Michoacan and lean back slowly while still at the ground, it grabs and sets. After that 1st grab, I can tend it to release, then it has always grabbed with my setup. Stopper knot for back up but it would still suck to not grab and you fall, stopper knot or not.

 

[Brocky]

Just tried the Sticht Hitch on Oplux with the BW 7mm and got excellent results. Grabs each time, no slippage, and easy to release, adjustable for the amount of friction the wraps get. The rap ring in front is needed to form a slight bend in the rope. The brass wedding band in back isn’t needed, but makes tending easier.

 

[sad_story]

What about your guys' thoughts a few prussic variants ( Autoblock & Klemheist), since I have a TRC prussic loop on an oplux, cannot use, distel/schabish, or my two favorites Valdotain Tresse - VT and XT Climbing Hitch.

Anyone have any easily tended knots/hitches for a lineman's belt using a loop (the standard prussic with various tenders still bound up too much (releases))?

 

[thedutchtouch]

i'm sticking with a regular prussik and distel hitch for now, i'm using oplux and TRC, havent made any cuts yet in the TRC but i can tie those two and get no slip, experimented with VT, kleimheist, swabishchafskdjlfasldhasl hwoever you spell them, i had a few slip in testing. i likely tied them wrong but i'm to the point that i can do a prussik or distel with my eyes closed so that's what i'm sticking with.

i do have an offshoot question- is a prussik loop created with double fisherman's knots stronger than tying the fishermans directly on to the biner?

 

[sad_story]

The length between the hitch and the eye knots doesn’t effect the function of a Michoacan, but it will for other hitches like the VT and Distel. Tails on knots generally only need to be about five times the diameter of cord or rope.

Newbie question, how/why does the tail length affect the VT?

 

[Brocky]

I think because there is no abrupt changes in direction of the cord coiling around the rope, the wraps are being pulled downward more than squeezing, so that it doesn’t want to grab.
The Sticht hitch just above your previous post doesn’t bind up, and can adjust the amount of friction.

 

[Brocky]

i do have an offshoot question- is a prussik loop created with double fisherman's knots stronger than tying the fishermans directly on to the biner?

The rope entering the knot is the usual breaking point, both the loop and the two eyes are the same this way. There would be a difference if they were tied to something with a smalll diameter, then I think the two eyes would be the stronger option.

 

[1simplemann]

Just tried the Sticht Hitch on Oplux with the BW 7mm and got excellent results. Grabs each time, no slippage, and easy to release, adjustable for the amount of friction the wraps get. The rap ring in front is needed to form a slight bend in the rope. The brass wedding band in back isn’t needed, but makes tending easier.
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I'm interested in this set up. Where do I purchase them?