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Screw or Autolock Carabiner?

Screw or Auto Lock Carabiner

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X3 on the Rocko auto locker. The screw gate style gets to be a pain climbing trees with multiple limbs to go around. I have forgot to tighten the screw gate down on more than one occasion also.

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tailgunner said:
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Hopefully anyone new sees this after seeing your posts...

Sorry, I"m going to make a bold statement here and say anyone using a non-locking carabiner by itself for their tether or direct single point of life support is an idiot and asking for trouble.

Further more, using a bent gate non-locker is even worse....they are designed for easy clipping when lead climbing, meaning when you reach up with one hand to clip your rope through it, the rop and your finger "catch" on the bent section and it is EASIER to open the gate with less friction because a more downward motion will open the gate. Pressure does not have to be 100% perpendicular the the axis of the spine of the biner to open like a standard "D" biner. This also is why they are more dangerous, they more easily catch a rope and backclip and release. WIth the amount of twisting, swinging, and movement in a saddle it is quite probably this could happen.

IF you are going to use non-lockers, use two. Opposite and opposed. so when they lay on top of each other and you squeeze both the gates in one hand they create an "x" when they are both completely open. This is industry standard and best practices in he climbing world when using a standard gate biner in place of a locker....

There is no reason to accept the risk of using inferior hardware in this application. This is an easy situation to manage risk, and not doing so is being purely negligent--in fact sharing it with an infinity amount of people on the web as if it's ok is negligent.

Just my $.02.
 
Vtbow said:
Hopefully anyone new sees this after seeing your posts...

Sorry, I"m going to make a bold statement here and say anyone using a non-locking carabiner by itself for their tether or direct single point of life support is an idiot and asking for trouble.

Further more, using a bent gate non-locker is even worse....they are designed for easy clipping when lead climbing, meaning when you reach up with one hand to clip your rope through it, the rop and your finger "catch" on the bent section and it is EASIER to open the gate with less friction because a more downward motion will open the gate. Pressure does not have to be 100% perpendicular the the axis of the spine of the biner to open like a standard "D" biner. This also is why they are more dangerous, they more easily catch a rope and backclip and release. WIth the amount of twisting, swinging, and movement in a saddle it is quite probably this could happen.

IF you are going to use non-lockers, use two. Opposite and opposed. so when they lay on top of each other and you squeeze both the gates in one hand they create an "x" when they are both completely open. This is industry standard and best practices in he climbing world when using a standard gate biner in place of a locker....

There is no reason to accept the risk of using inferior hardware in this application. This is an easy situation to manage risk, and not doing so is being purely negligent--in fact sharing it with an infinity amount of people on the web as if it's ok is negligent.

Just my $.02.
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Especially when you can find rated, locking 'biners on sale for $10.
 
tailgunner said:
im a sertified rigger with 25 years of working under cranes .rollout is nothing new to me there are no locks on a crane rig 4 link .i depend on my eyes and hands no mechanism.im competant in what i do but never recamend to any one what i do.hey kids drop out and be a roofer .that dont fly .im not debaiting whats right wrong or safer just what i do.just stating facts .an aluminum caribiner will stretch an inch an a half befor breaking .i myself am competant enuff to notice that .they will bend to 45 degreas be for they break .and if i dont notice that i deserve what i get.im being held up by thread.yesturday i couldnt spell ruffer today i r 1
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I like to order the weakest "stretchiest" carabiners I can find, that way I know its time to change them after they break and I fall to the ground
 
IDIOT....i cant argue with that.the moment my feet come off the ground im risking my life to harvest a deer no mater what gear i do or do not have.ive climbed trees with no gear at all.as for online neglagence .im new to computers .it did not dawn on me that people might take the stupid things i do as advice.and im deeply sorry for that my dude
 
Vtbow said:
Hopefully anyone new sees this after seeing your posts...

Sorry, I"m going to make a bold statement here and say anyone using a non-locking carabiner by itself for their tether or direct single point of life support is an idiot and asking for trouble.

Further more, using a bent gate non-locker is even worse....they are designed for easy clipping when lead climbing, meaning when you reach up with one hand to clip your rope through it, the rop and your finger "catch" on the bent section and it is EASIER to open the gate with less friction because a more downward motion will open the gate. Pressure does not have to be 100% perpendicular the the axis of the spine of the biner to open like a standard "D" biner. This also is why they are more dangerous, they more easily catch a rope and backclip and release. WIth the amount of twisting, swinging, and movement in a saddle it is quite probably this could happen.

IF you are going to use non-lockers, use two. Opposite and opposed. so when they lay on top of each other and you squeeze both the gates in one hand they create an "x" when they are both completely open. This is industry standard and best practices in he climbing world when using a standard gate biner in place of a locker....

There is no reason to accept the risk of using inferior hardware in this application. This is an easy situation to manage risk, and not doing so is being purely negligent--in fact sharing it with an infinity amount of people on the web as if it's ok is negligent.

Just my $.02.
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would you want me to take the pic down or is it a good example of what only idiots use
 
tailgunner said:
would you want me to take the pic down or is it a good example of what only idiots use
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Totally your call. Your words, and post. I'm not the safety police or moderator, it's up to you what you feel is responsible/reasonable to post. I just find it important to refute poor practices and information on a forum that has so many new users.
 
I started out with auto-locks but bought a few screw locks to reduce bulk. After forgetting to screw-lock a couple times and not noticing till at hunting height I decided to go back to strictly auto’s. Not sure why I kept forgetting but I just feel better removing that brain fart. A little more bulk is worth it to me to avoid a potential carabiner failure.
 
Dewey said:
I started out with auto-locks but bought a few screw locks to reduce bulk. After forgetting to screw-lock a couple times and not noticing till at hunting height I decided to go back to strictly auto’s. Not sure why I kept forgetting but I just feel better removing that brain fart. A little more bulk is worth it to me to avoid a potential carabiner failure.
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I almost wish I was laidback enough to forget to lock a 'biner....but nope....I'm up there checking 'biners I know are locked like every 30 minutes when "I get that weird feeling sumpin' ain't right".....
 
Screw lock for me. I like having to take that intentional action to lock it.
 
I have been going up a tree and looked and seen my screw lock carabiner not screw locked. As long as I am weighted, no problem. I do screw them locked when I see this. With SRT, I am continuously weighted all the time.
 
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