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Talk me out of a diesel or help me pick!

@DanO the company I work for almost always buys in December. They also depreciate it all they can by the time it’s 4-6 years old so not sure how buying an older vehicle will work aside from the initial purchase but check with your accountant. It may be one of those situations where low interest loans and tax reasons make it smart to buy new, Or this year vs next year. That’s between you, your accountant, and the govt. I’m my own accountant so to keep things simple I refuse to make much more than the standard deduction
 
I drive a 13 F250 6.7 daily and I love my truck. I don’t mind the DEF as it generally run 8-10 tanks of fuel before I even think about putting any in it. Plenty of torque and is actually extremely quite when not under a load. It’ll still let you know it’s a diesel if it’s spooling hard though. Factory exhaust brake and in tow mode pulling a Skidsteer is a breeze. Hardly have to touch the brakes. Low end torque and great run out.
 
Crazy thing is my brother in-law just bought a 18 tundra TRD package (which is a badass truck) for like 56k
More than my powerhouse ram

But honestly that tundra will last a long time
They got one in with 400k on the clock on trade
Still running like a champ


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My 2012 is knocking on 200k and it runs like it just came off the lot. Nothing but oil, tires, and brakes.

What’s the difference in maintenance on a diesel vs a tundra over a million miles? Reliability is my number one decision maker in life. Watch this video.

 
My 2012 is knocking on 200k and it runs like it just came off the lot. Nothing but oil, tires, and brakes.

What’s the difference in maintenance on a diesel vs a tundra over a million miles? Reliability is my number one decision maker in life. Watch this video.


I believe it
Gas engine
Toyota only for me
I don’t take bets I won’t win
And I don’t gamble
That’s why I’d go Toyota
Our last few vehicles have been Toyota
No issues period!


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I've owned a 2016 Tacoma(bought new), 2012 Ram 3500 w/ Cummins(bought used), a 2005 Chevy 2500HD w Duramax(bought used), and a 2014 Ford F 150(bought new) with the 5.0L. Unless you tow frequently/hotshot I'd scratch the Ram off the list, it was the worst riding of the trucks(yea yea 3500 got it but still), most expensive to maintain, stock head lights sucked, and had the worst fit and finish. Fantastic power but I didn't like the truck as a whole and the 68RFE transmission is not so good for driveability. My brother has a 2004 2500 Dodge Ram Cummins and it's close to the 2012 except with a worse transmission--the 48RFE. F150 was a fantastic truck, respectable power, and got acceptable MPGs for what it was. Easy to get parts and low maintenance cost and best fit and finish. The Chevy 2500HD Duramax was the sweetest rig I owned. Good fuel economy(better than Cummins), great power(not as good as the Cummins), excellent ride, has the great Allison transmission, and nice fit and finish. All of these were four-wheel drive trucks. Also, until recently(like 16' and newer) Dodge/Ram 2500/3500 trucks kept the front axle engaged even when not in 4wd. They sell kits to disengage it but its thousands in cost between parts and labor.

Those are some of my observations from owning these trucks. I do ALL, my own labor on my trucks, new or old. Diesels will cost more when stuff breaks and one of the most important things you can do as standard maintenance is changing the fuel filter, no matter the manufacturer.
 
@DanO If your serious about going diesel get on some forums an start reading up. I understand your fears with 6.0 powerstroke but if you think a 6.0 can give you issues wait till you get ya a 6.4. They are monsters with a tune delete an exhaust but trust they like to break too.
If you are wanting a newer truck you have to be ready to pay to play. They have all sorts emissions now. An one sensor could have ya in limp mode an you will be wishing you bought that older 5.9 or 6.0 that had no emissions equipment.

I hate to think what I have spent on the different diesel trucks I have owned. They can be alot of fun.
 
I believe it
Gas engine
Toyota only for me
I don’t take bets I won’t win
And I don’t gamble
That’s why I’d go Toyota
Our last few vehicles have been Toyota
No issues period!


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I have had a few toyotas an they have all been fantastic. Only issue I had with the Tacoma I had was it was pathetic on fuel mileage for a pickup that was a little over 4000 pounds.
 
I’d steer clear of the 6.4 there is a reason it came and gone. I’ve always been a diesel guy but unless you tow daily I’d say it’s not worth it with all the new emissions bull crap, fuel mileage, and cost of repair. Don’t get me wrong the new duramax and 6.7 seem like great trucks but new and warranty but it’s gonna cost you 50-60k. My fathers got a early 6.7 that threw a bearing and they replaced under warranty. Truck is dump and works hard but doesn’t have 60k on it yet.
It came an gone because it was built by Navistar an there contract with Ford was over an the fact ford sued them over all the 6.0 issues.
 
@DanO If your serious about going diesel get on some forums an start reading up. I understand your fears with 6.0 powerstroke but if you think a 6.0 can give you issues wait till you get ya a 6.4. They are monsters with a tune delete an exhaust but trust they like to break too.
If you are wanting a newer truck you have to be ready to pay to play. They have all sorts emissions now. An one sensor could have ya in limp mode an you will be wishing you bought that older 5.9 or 6.0 that had no emissions equipment.

I hate to think what I have spent on the different diesel trucks I have owned. They can be alot of fun.
Thanks for the input. Leaning more towards newer gasser now for the moment.
 
It came an gone because it was built by Navistar an there contract with Ford was over an the fact ford sued them over all the 6.0 issues.

X2 on this


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Thanks for the input. Leaning more towards newer gasser now for the moment.

Toyota Tundra
Won’t let you down
Get from a dealer
U can get the extended warranty for a little extra
I get the comprehensive one
If ur power window stops working, warranty covers
Ac
Electrical
Etc
U can’t fault a tundra
It will tow what u need to tow no problems
And out live every other gas truck in its class


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Need to be able to tow anything out West. We take trailers loaded with quads and all our gear for camping. But it won't get tasked a ton most of the time. Will be used for towing my 19' aluminum trailer locally. Also used for business - picking up parts, etc.

Lot's of good comments so far. I have a lot to think about.
Find a clean older ford 99 to say 2010 an put a 12 V in it an be done with it. No electronics to worry about mechanical injection pump. Hell if you put a choke cable for the fuel shut off an remove the solenoid you only have one wire for the engine.
Little edit to this put a 4r100 behind it even if it is a later model with the 5r110 they are a bear to get tuned properly.
 
Find a clean older ford 99 to say 2010 an put a 12 V in it an be done with it. No electronics to worry about mechanical injection pump. Hell if you put a choke cable for the fuel shut off an remove the solenoid you only have one wire for the engine.
Little edit to this put a 4r100 behind it even if it is a later model with the 5r110 they are a bear to get tuned properly.
That a weekend swap?
 
I have had a few toyotas an they have all been fantastic. Only issue I had with the Tacoma I had was it was pathetic on fuel mileage for a pickup that was a little over 4000 pounds.
I think the Tundra is out - need a 6.5' bed with crew cab which isn't available and the double cab doesn't look very spacious. Need to go visit a few showrooms this weekend to check them all out.
 
As you can see Dan O this will go all different ways

It comes down to this

Diesel will have more power no matter what
You can get it done possibly with gas but diesel will do it for sure
If you’re not opposed to shifting you will save urself tranny issues and control ur shifts
Up to you but this will go on forever

Remember,
Opinions are like a-holes
We all have one and they all stink


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Automatic Trans are typically more reliable an will hold more power now in the newer diesel trucks.
Take the nv4500 as an example it's a 5 speed that was behind the 12Vcummins in dodge trucks an the 48re was the auto. Throw a little fuel at the truck an it will smoke the auto an the manual will need a clutch. Now throw a bunch of money at both those transmissions an the auto is going to be much more reliable that Nv4500. I had billet input shaft 5th gear nut fixed dual disk clutch an that transmission would give it self up on occasion.
I have had numerous diesel pickups auto an manual an automatic is way to go now you stay on boost when shifting gears. They have come a very long way with the automatic transmission in 3/4 an ton pickups
 
Thanks for the input. Leaning more towards newer gasser now for the moment.
I had a tacoma for a few years drove it down to saddle palooza in 2018 an it got 10 mile to the gallon pulling a 5x5.5x8 cargo trailer. Traded it for a 2016 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel this truck get 27 mpg on the interstate driving from Warsaw Indiana to Smithville TN. That was hand calculated an I made same trip 3 time in that month an it did right around 27 each time. Nicest truck I have ever owned love it. Towing small utility trailer with mower on it the Tacoma would get 14.5 to 16. The little 3.0 diesel get 22.5 to 23 towing same trailer on the same roads. Love the truck it's just way too nice for me to be using it as my work truck. I have went back to the tried an tru combo F350 crew cab long bed 4x4 with 12V Cummins no emissions no electronics no worries. It just runs.
I will never own another Gas pickup after the Tacoma I'm not going to drive aroun getting 17 empty an not be able to what I want with it.
 
I had a tacoma for a few years drove it down to saddle palooza in 2018 an it got 10 mile to the gallon pulling a 5x5.5x8 cargo trailer. Traded it for a 2016 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel this truck get 27 mpg on the interstate driving from Warsaw Indiana to Smithville TN. That was hand calculated an I made same trip 3 time in that month an it did right around 27 each time. Nicest truck I have ever owned love it. Towing small utility trailer with mower on it the Tacoma would get 14.5 to 16. The little 3.0 diesel get 22.5 to 23 towing same trailer on the same roads. Love the truck it's just way too nice for me to be using it as my work truck. I have went back to the tried an tru combo F350 crew cab long bed 4x4 with 12V Cummins no emissions no electronics no worries. It just runs.
I will never own another Gas pickup after the Tacoma I'm not going to drive aroun getting 17 empty an not be able to what I want with it.

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Get the diesel! 2019 Colorado ZR2 bison with the baby duramax 2.8l. 28 - 33 mpg on the highway. 17mpg towing an 18.5’ heavy gauge aluminum smoker craft fishing boat. 3k pound trailer / boat combo.
 
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DanO, the double cab is the same size as every other crew cab out there. Don’t rule out the tundra because of that. The crew max is absolutely huge, more leg room in the back than the front. My last 2 trucks were tundras and I will never own anything else unless I feel the need for diesel. My 2006 had 90K on it when I traded it in, didn’t even have to replace the brakes on it. My 2011 has over 150k now and only routine maintenance and a front axle shaft covered under warranty, the boot got torn and threw out all the grease so they just replaced it all.
 
My 2012 is knocking on 200k and it runs like it just came off the lot. Nothing but oil, tires, and brakes.

What’s the difference in maintenance on a diesel vs a tundra over a million miles? Reliability is my number one decision maker in life. Watch this video.

And when they tore that trucks engine apart it was still in tolerances to roll out of the factory as a new motor!!!
 
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