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Tell me why weight is so important!!!

Deerman406

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I understand that guys want to go lite but does 3#s really matter?? I mean if your total set-up with pack, steps everything you carry(minus bow of course) weighs say 14 pounds does 3 ore pounds really matter? I myself prefer going for comfort and ease of climbing(so I don't sweat) and I am 56 years old and a few extra pounds makes no difference to me. As long as everything is easily packed and slim line for carry it is much more enjoyable. I watch these guys one sticking and other methods and I don't find any of them all that easy. 3 or 4 good sticks and knaider and I am up as quick as anyone and a lot less hassles, at least for me. Also last question!! Would you sacrifice say 3#s to be more comfortable?? Thanks! Shawn
 
Well if I’m hiking in 300 yards to the stand and planning to be there all day, I’ll take the most comfortable setup and don’t care about weight. If I’m going in 3 miles it’s a much different story. I’ll take being uncomfortable in the stand if it means I get to a place where I can kill the animal I want to kill. If I wanted to be comfortable and not kill anything I’d be in the recliner at the house.
 
Totally depends on how far I have to go to get to my tree.
Comfort is relative. I definitely need to be comfortable enough to stay still.
 
Because I spent 20yrs humping around with 125-160lbs of extra gear on my former 155 pound, 5’6” frame and jumped out of airplanes...I’m done carrying heavy crap. My knees and back are happy with light gear.
 
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My point is I hunt several states a year and normally from late Oct to Thanksgiving and I do quite a few all day sits. I want comfort and also the ability to be mobile and move quickly if I have too. A lot of guys seem to think you gotta go bare bones to do that and I feel just the opposite. Shawn
 
I think it also depends on HOW it is packed. My XOP hang on with a molle waist belt makes the extra weight feel like nothing as opposed to just using shoulder straps. I'll hit the gym before I get to the point where I'm one sticking or ascending/rappelling out of a tree. I think at that point it's more about the ropes and doo dads than hunting.
 
One stick climbing is not really all that different from climbing with multiple sticks. It does take slightly longer, and has a little more of a learning curve. But if you're sweating one sticking, you're not doing it right.

The single advantage of one stick over multiple is weight/packing. I hate carrying multiple sticks enough I won't do it. I've tried. Ain't happening.

Rappelling is separate from climbing with one stick, and it's mildly annoying they're lumped together as a single thing. I have no issue climbing down with one stick. I will rappel, if it makes sense for the tree, but most times I don't. The extra gear, and stowage, eat into some of the speed advantage of rappel. It certainly has it's safety benefit though.

On the topic of weight - limits are being pushed in the name of innovation, and to signal to other people you're in the cool crowd. There are practical boundaries on how light your kit can be, and still get you up a tree safely, quickly, and quietly. But if people don't push those boundaries, you won't see the innovation continue.

And, like everything, there's tradeoffs to consider - and you hit the nail on the head. Weight for comfort is one compromise I'm willing to make with the hybrid. The penalty ends up being 1-3lbs. In exchange, I can sit dead still for extended periods of time.

Most people evaluate their kit through trial and error. They try different equipment and tactics, giving and taking what makes sense for them.

To answer your question- yes weight matters. To what degree, and with what tradeoffs, are not only individual and quite subjective, they're dynamic in that it can change from hunt to hunt.

If your point is that 3 lbs won't make a material difference in how many deer you kill, I probably agree. I would just remind you that there are likely blind spots in your perspective, and sacred cows you tote in the woods with you as well, that have no bearing on whether your success goes up, either.

I think the limit for me is this. If something takes away from my focus from the time I leave the truck until I return from hunting, or makes me less comfortable while I'm in the field, or less effective, that's the line. Tinkering in the yard, and trying gear at home, and playing with different methods doesn't hurt anything. Laying all my crap on a scale to see where I can pinch out unnecessary weight doesn't hurt anything. As long as it doesn't make me a less focused effective hunter during my time afield.
 
I'm 58 in decent soon to be better shape and have been on 5 successful DIY elk trips out west so I full well know the importance of traveling light.

But deer hunting in IL and IN 1-5 pounds is a non factor to me even while RNGing turkey hunting large tracts of public land where I easily put on 5-8 miles per a days hunt. I am giving saddle hunting a try partially for the weight savings of a sub 2lb saddle VS a 17-20lb stand but mostly I wish to give saddle hunting a try because I feel it's easier to hang and hunt or when deer movement demands I relocate my stand sight that instant out of a saddle than a hang on stand, at least my hang on stands.

He!! my tool back pack I wear at work weighs 23-25lbs depending on what I put in it and I work on 45-120 ton over head cranes and must climb 3-6 stories worth of stairs and 20-30 feet of ladders every time I go to work on a crane which is 3-6 times a day 7/24/365 in temps from 90*F to 130*F+ and 90%+ humidity.
So to me and my style of hunting 1-5 pounds doesn't matter.
And Buffalobill is absolutely correct how well you pack and set up to wear your pack makes a HUGE difference in felt weight and comfort.
 
Also, I'd invite you to time yourself from the second you pick a random tree to hunt, unpack your sticks, prepare to climb, climb, get set for the hunt, take out the time spent hunting, take down your set, climb down, and pack up your sticks.

Then I'd like you to run that time against someone proficient at one stick climbing the exact same tree. I'm willing to bet that if you rinse and repeat this a dozen times, the total sum of all that stuff, doesn't differ by more than 10%.

Not having to deal with multiple sticks when you're walking 2, 3, 5 miles a day is a really nice thing.

Doesn't make sense for everyone, but I'll say it like I've said before. When you factor in ALL time, effort, cost, etc. of using a climbing method, they're really not all that different from each other in sum. The benefits of one over the other are highly subjective.
 
My interest in saddle hunting & weight is focused on when I am scouting and hunting. If I know where or which tree I am hunting weight is not usually a concern with the distances I walk. But if I am scouting and hunting I like the option of not carrying weight around with me.
 
I'm a self professed old guy with bad knees. I'm also the first to admit that the weight of gear plays less into my decision as to what I'm carrying than it's packability. I one stick because I find it much more compact and quieter to carry a single short stick versus a stack of multiple sticks. I put that single stick right inside my pack and there's no metal to make contact with any branches or brush as I walk. For the record I personally also find single sticking less fiddly, less strenuous and quieter than any other method I've used and, much to my wife's distress over the money I've spent, I think I've tried most of the options you'll find here. It certainly is way less strenuous than using my old climber. I get to take a break and just hang out between stick moves.

If a climbing method came along that I could fit in my pocket but weighed 30 lbs, I'd probably seriously consider it. Right now single sticking on a short stick is the best option I've found. It checks all the boxes I'm looking for in a climbing method.
 
I just started saddle hunting and not worried about my kill rate. Killed 5 deer out of a saddle my first year. I will say I would not of killed two of them from a regular stand. In my original post I was more concerned about the comfort factor, not so much sitting still. I have killed a ton of deer and have never been able to sit very still but am acutely aware of my surroundings! I actually am not crazy about hunting with a platform and have switched to carrying an old Chippewa ghost that I got down to 7#s with mods. I like to be able to loosen my tether and turn sit for a bit. That is where my extra 3-4#s come from and it packs as well or better than my Predator platform. Shawn
 
I should also say I rarely hunt high as , I look for trees with Cover I can get 20 ft with my 4 20" sticks and a knaider in 12 minutes from ground to actually hunting. I also rarely need to walk over 1.5 miles to find deer even on public and out of state that is all I hunt except in Kansas where I have around 8 thousand acres of private. I really like to hunt smarter not harder but I do love the effort it takes to be successful. I just think as some do above that lighter, quicker and getting lost in your gear does not make sense. Its about killing deer after all. Shawn
 
I should also say I rarely hunt high as , I look for trees with Cover I can get 20 ft with my 4 20" sticks and a knaider in 12 minutes from ground to actually hunting. I also rarely need to walk over 1.5 miles to find deer even on public and out of state that is all I hunt except in Kansas where I have around 8 thousand acres of private. I really like to hunt smarter not harder but I do love the effort it takes to be successful. I just think as some do above that lighter, quicker and getting lost in your gear does not make sense. Its about killing deer after all. Shawn

You can take your pack off, unstrap or unpack your sticks, prepare for climb/hunt, climb the tree, hang your set, and be hunting in 12 minutes at 20' ? Is that the fastest you can do it? Slowest? Average?

How long does it take you to pack your stuff, climb down, pack your sticks, prepare for walk out?

I'm willing to bet you can pick the tree, and I can unpack my one stick for the climb, make the climb without ever having more than 18" of slack in my tether, climb back down, stow my one stick, as fast or faster than you can unpack, climb with multiple sticks using a lineman's belt properly, climb down, and pack back up.


You say it's not about quicker, but in your original post you point out that one sticking seems silly to you, because you can be "up as quick as anyone with a lot less hassles." So do you care about speed or not? And I'll disagree strongly that one stick is more hassle than multiple sticks. Matter of perspective I guess.

Are you just wanting to yell at the kids in the lawn about their newfangled climbing methods? Or do you have some specific gripe? I support your right to either, I feel like we're moving the goalposts now though.
 
Raisins I also hunt public in at least 3 states each year. I always did it with stand and stixks. Love the saddle but I am in excellent shape and I have a great system for packing extra clothes and carry my set up so weight as long as we are not talking like 25 or 30#s it does not bother me. I also should say I rarely hunt pressured public land. I may be lucky but I hunt over looked and under used public land. I would rather take 2 days of hunt time and find the right piece of public than dive in and hope like a lot of guys. An example is I hunted Iowa and Nebraska this year frrom Oct 26th to Nov 13th on public and saw a total of 5 other hunters and only 3 on pieces I was hunting. Shawn
 
I can get up faster but why, no need to be quick and I get sweaty. It isn't about quickere thats what I meant guys can be quick and I can be as well but why? You may find it funny I also am noot a guy who is a quiet freak. I don't like metal contact noises but I don't silience my gear a whole bunch and I do ok.. Again I am just curious, as I have hunted long enough to know there is a ton of ways to skin a cat. Success is success no matter how you get it done as long as its legal and ethical. Shawn
 
It’s not the weight....it’s the BULK....that becomes a PITA. Many(including myself)....pack far too much gear for 3-5hr sits. This past season I packed far less crap, but was still lugging a stand/stix into the woods.
My first saddle arrived today. So next year, it’ll be a saddle....one-stick...and a light backpack
 
Some people like to chase the weight. I want to comfortable while having something that is compact and relatively lightweight.

I dropped 40lbs in weight (personal not gear) this year and worked out alot. That made alot more difference than the weight difference when I went from a climber to a saddle.
 
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