Tethrd and John Eberhart

[Fairchild#17]

I actually enjoyed listening to that podcast where he and Dan were at odds over playing the wind and scent control.

Can you tell me specifically which episode that was. I'd like to listen.
I believe John would have just as many book bucks without scent control, simply because of his passion and woodsmanship, but his OCD won't allow him to try it.
I've actually become more successful because of not being so fussy with scent and wind. Pushing the envelope with just off winds and hunting tight to heavy cover. On private lands I'll prep locations on the edge of cover so that I can shoot into bedding and reach those interior trails. It has paid off for me.

 

[woodsdog2]

Why cant we stay on topic . It's
like we can't keep our minds on one thing . It seems sometimes we drift off subject.

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[woodsdog2]

Can you tell me specifically which episode that was. I'd like to listen.
I believe John would have just as many book bucks without scent control, simply because of his passion and woodsmanship, but his OCD won't allow him to try it.
I've actually become more successful because of not being so fussy with scent and wind. Pushing the envelope with just off winds and hunting tight to heavy cover. On private lands I'll prep locations on the edge of cover so that I can shoot into bedding and reach those interior trails. It has paid off for me.

You got it brother!! I don't know John Eberhart personally but I bought his books and videos back in the day and I just like that he is a student and a teacher of hunting deer. I thought he was a lunatic with his scent control and I have yet to buy a scent lock suit but he does offer up great information on scouting, getting in early, etc. I don't agree though that you can ignore the wind. I never agreed with that. In fact it was silly in my opinion. He has his quirks but don't we all? Each one of us has a system that works for us. Hey, at least he takes the time to show and demonstrate what does work for him. Its like a good trapper, the numbers guys. They're gonna brag a little bit and have some ideas and concepts about things that have paid off for them. I think John is the same way. And why not? He is highly successful taking public land big monster bucks. I watched his podcast with Beau Martonik from East Meets West and he had humble beginnings and worked hard I respect that probably as much if not more than his deer hunting accomplishments, which are significant. I still believe you have to play the wind and thermals and really like your approach @Fairchild#17. I would add to your second paragraph, also setting up in the more difficult spots either cover wise or terrain wise where the bucks are going to be in as the pressure increases during bow season. I have really started to concentrate on staying off the flats and hunting side hills more and more as long as the wind is working for me. Of course that is a benefit of hill country but can also be a pain.

 

[Plebe]

@Plebe yep. Certainly don’t listen to me about hunting. I always take a trophy sized bowl of tag soup every year.

Eating a tag never bothers me, so long as I've learned something. I've had years where I did well, but didn't feel like I learned anything new. Those years feel rather vapid, whereas tag soup makes me hungry to put to work what I've picked up.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Can you tell me specifically which episode that was. I'd like to listen.
I believe John would have just as many book bucks without scent control, simply because of his passion and woodsmanship, but his OCD won't allow him to try it.
I've actually become more successful because of not being so fussy with scent and wind. Pushing the envelope with just off winds and hunting tight to heavy cover. On private lands I'll prep locations on the edge of cover so that I can shoot into bedding and reach those interior trails. It has paid off for me.

It’s a 3 part series here is the link:

 

[DroptineKrazy]

You should pitch the idea of the Drey to him, highlighting those features… you could be the man to convert him. I could see the you tube rave videos flowing in!!! I know I sound sarcastic but I am actually being serious. Sometimes it can be something as simple as highlighting someone’s likes and presenting them with something that meets those likes and needs. I’m sure he’d also love that it doesn’t have to use the leg straps either….

I doubt he would hunt from a Drey when he is promoting his own saddle design.

 

[mattsteg]

I doubt he would hunt from a Drey when he is promoting his own saddle design.

Promoting one saddle certainly hasn't stopped him from hunting from another in the past

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Promoting one saddle certainly hasn't stopped him from hunting from another in the past

Facts!

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

You got it brother!! I don't know John Eberhart personally but I bought his books and videos back in the day and I just like that he is a student and a teacher of hunting deer. I thought he was a lunatic with his scent control and I have yet to buy a scent lock suit but he does offer up great information on scouting, getting in early, etc. I don't agree though that you can ignore the wind. I never agreed with that. In fact it was silly in my opinion. He has his quirks but don't we all? Each one of us has a system that works for us. Hey, at least he takes the time to show and demonstrate what does work for him. Its like a good trapper, the numbers guys. They're gonna brag a little bit and have some ideas and concepts about things that have paid off for them. I think John is the same way. And why not? He is highly successful taking public land big monster bucks. I watched his podcast with Beau Martonik from East Meets West and he had humble beginnings and worked hard I respect that probably as much if not more than his deer hunting accomplishments, which are significant. I still believe you have to play the wind and thermals and really like your approach @Fairchild#17. I would add to your second paragraph, also setting up in the more difficult spots either cover wise or terrain wise where the bucks are going to be in as the pressure increases during bow season. I have really started to concentrate on staying off the flats and hunting side hills more and more as long as the wind is working for me. Of course that is a benefit of hill country but can also be a pain.

Yea it’s pretty flat in Florida so I don’t get to hunt hills unfortunately.

 

[DroptineKrazy]

Promoting one saddle certainly hasn't stopped him from hunting from another in the past

How so? Does he still hunt out of an Anderson even though he came out with the ESS?

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

How so? Does he still hunt out of an Anderson even though he came out with the ESS?

In the past he was involved with Aerohunter and trophyline I believe, but by his own accounts he prefers his two panel similar to the Anderson tree sling. So just because he helped design and market saddles in the past, doesn’t mean he hunts from them. I know some you tube personalities that do the same thing. They present the sponsored saddle and take pics of their kills and walk out in that saddle, then get to the tree and do a majority of their hunts in a different saddle all together. I’ll never throw names out because that would be wrong, but it does happen. It also used to happen in the tree stand world as well. Listen to Dan the beast talk about how guys would do. They’d be out there promoting tree stands brands, then hunt off camera from old school lone Wolf.

 

[Chimney7]

I went to that. Nice event. Hats off to the Bucks and bows fellas for putting it together. Also to beau martonik for being super approachable and willing to talk to anyone. Didn’t talk to mr eberhart at all, but did learn a few things from listening to him.

 

[Robert loper]

I'll give him credit, he's given me the single best tip of my buck hunting hobby. It's not often 1 tip applies to all of us and the different habitats we hunt. But as soon as I applied his tip of hunting "security cover", my success skyrocketed. I mean night and day. It doesn't matter to me what terrain features there are that funnels deer. If there's no security cover I'm not hunting it period.

Amen bro. I too believe in this but i call it. Side cover.
Side cover makes the deer feel like he is hidden.
Ever see a buck out in a bean field thats taller than him but his rack is sticking out in wide open? He still feels hidden.
Even some trsnsitions only see nighttime activity for lack of side cover.
also 99% of buck sign we find is what i call fools gold. Night time sign because the lack of side cover.
Its exactly why the whole bedding tactics are trending in last several years.
bedding is usually in security cover.
then on top of that timing of when they are using that ares is key.
Then what winds are they using that area in. Lol.
we got it tough and any dude who has 50 p&y bucks off of public on the wall. Ya’ll better read or listen.
Just ignore the boasting snd arrogance.
dude is straight up legit.

 

[Apex7]

Oh for sure he has a ton of valuable info that's worth taking in. It's more his dismissiveness of what clearly works for others, along with little things like (at various times over the years) endorsing saddles as what he wears while just continuing to use his old Anderson.

From what I understand and what he told and show me he uses a ESS saddle that he modified to his liking. He showed me his hunting saddle and he has a fixed bridge and he cut off the leg straps but that's about it.

 

[mattsteg]

From what I understand and what he told and show me he uses a ESS saddle that he modified to his liking. He showed me his hunting saddle and he has a fixed bridge and he cut off the leg straps but that's about it.

That's certainly possible and even likely now that he's finally designed and brought his own anderson clone to market. I was really commenting more regarding saddles he's previously endorsed.

 

[Plebe]

That's certainly possible and even likely now that he's finally designed and brought his own anderson clone to market. I was really commenting more regarding saddles he's previously endorsed.

My perception is that he's hunted a long while in an Anderson. I believe they've been off the market for some time. As a huge promoter of the saddlehunting method, it makes sense for him to endorse, well, saddles. And with the Anderson off the market, I don't see any problem with him endorsing saddles that are on the market, even if his preference was/is his Anderson, which you can't get commercially.

Now, posing with something you didn't use on a hunt as if you did, thats not very forthright and deserves some condemnation, imo. As does plugging one brand over another if you don't divulge partnership/sponsorship or don't really believe in the product. I don't follow him well enough to know any of that sort of stuff.

 

[mattsteg]

My perception is that he's hunted a long while in an Anderson. I believe they've been off the market for some time. As a huge promoter of the saddlehunting method, it makes sense for him to endorse, well, saddles. And with the Anderson off the market, I don't see any problem with him endorsing saddles that are on the market, even if his preference was/is his Anderson, which you can't get commercially.

Now, posing with something you didn't use on a hunt as if you did, thats not very forthright and deserves some condemnation, imo. As does plugging one brand over another if you don't divulge partnership/sponsorship or don't really believe in the product. I don't follow him well enough to know any of that sort of stuff.

There's a difference between endorsing and stating "this is what I hunt with" in my opinion.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

My perception is that he's hunted a long while in an Anderson. I believe they've been off the market for some time. As a huge promoter of the saddlehunting method, it makes sense for him to endorse, well, saddles. And with the Anderson off the market, I don't see any problem with him endorsing saddles that are on the market, even if his preference was/is his Anderson, which you can't get commercially.

Now, posing with something you didn't use on a hunt as if you did, thats not very forthright and deserves some condemnation, imo. As does plugging one brand over another if you don't divulge partnership/sponsorship or don't really believe in the product. I don't follow him well enough to know any of that sort of stuff.

For the record I wasn’t saying Eberhart posed with saddles and deer he didn’t kill them in. I was strictly saying by his own account he preferred a modified Anderson but had endorsed and had input in other saddles previously made. As you said, as a man who endorses saddle hunting, it makes sense. That’s why I suggested pitching the Drey to him. He might love it. He might not, but it won’t have anything to do with brand loyalty because in the past he’s endorsed other brands while using what he liked. We all know he’s hunting from the ESS which is his signature saddle. It’ll have a Tethrd label on it but the ESS is John’s baby. So I truly believe he is marketing that as a product he believes in because it what he wants in his saddle. If that makes sense

 

[Plebe]

There's a difference between endorsing and stating "this is what I hunt with" in my opinion.

I agree. I don't know the details on that. I was responding to:

"Promoting one saddle certainly hasn't stopped him from hunting from another in the past "