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Tethrd One Climbing Sticks

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stone1 said:
I would like to start a petition that bans the phrase "Real estate" when referring to the space a platform/stand/stick allows for. Just kidding...

Well, I'm not.... but I'm not important that you should care what I think.
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Can we still refer to the ample real estate provided by game-changing bolts?
 
Nutterbuster said:
I think that video, while informative, fails to really consider the difference in real estate sticks with that angle on the step have. LWCG and Tethrd both have that angle because the standoffs are short.

A LW/Novix/Trophyline stick is 4" from the table to the middle of the step and to the tips. A Tethrd stick is 3" from the table to the middle of the step and 4" to the tips. You can either look at it as "it's just an inch" or "It's 25% less space." Same with weight. You can either say a LW/TL/Nvx stick is "only half a pound more" or "It's 50% heavier."

The high speed, low drag, uberlight sticks definitely get there by shaving material and real estate. Pros and cons.

As far as what "man feet" are, Google says here in Yoosa it's 10.5. For once in his life, Nutterbuster is above average!
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My wife said... Every inch counts......
 
mattsteg said:
(Which is fine, and can easily be strong enough to have adequate durability). The pin is probably better and stronger than a bolt (no/minimal wobble, can't come loose and ream out the hole, can't snag, etc. - just not what we're used to seeing. The glue may well not really matter, although it's inexcusable that it breaks if they use it. The pin is sufficiently strong to safely hold things in place, and would be even more so if they capped the ends.

The conclusion that I'm coming to is that the tethrd sticks were designed in large part to be mass-produced cheaply (and hopefully reliably) from "premium" materials with a design that's clearly very different from competing steps. No time-consuming tightening of bolts that may loosen, everything press-fit, only the standoffs with a complex design.

Probably a good idea to test with failed adhesive to failure, but at this point it seems possible that the glue isn't really structural, at least from a safety perspective. Might "just" be there to quiet them down.

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The glue let’s go. The step wobbles back and forth. Those values for shear strength are pinning something in a press fit type condition. If the pin doesn’t break from the wobble. The step will fracture from that kind of stress and eventually break. The pin was only supposed to be used for alignment during gluing according to Ernie. They should had pinned it on 2 axis then they would not have to worry about the glue popping.
 
enkriss said:
The glue let’s go. The step wobbles back and forth. Those values for shear strength are pinning something in a press fit type condition. If the pin doesn’t break from the wobble. The step will fracture from that kind of stress and eventually break. The pin was only supposed to be used for alignment during gluing according to Ernie. They should had pinned it on 2 axis then they would not have to worry about the glue popping.
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The tolerances the Wuhan shop would be expected to hold to make that work would drive the price up.
 
Im hearing a ton of horrible things about these sticks.
im thinking hurried so quickly to get on market
Things not thought out to well.
Not thst i would know i do not own anything from this company but a platform bracket i quickly removed and replace because it squeeked so much.
other than that i can only go by hearsay and alot of that is not good on alit of their products
And to me as much as they charge equipment shoukd have been put through more testing and hold off on releasing.
its a shame jarred, greg are good dudes but i dont hear much good about alot of thier products
 
enkriss said:
The glue let’s go. The step wobbles back and forth. Those values for shear strength are pinning something in a press fit type condition. If the pin doesn’t break from the wobble. The step will fracture from that kind of stress and eventually break. The pin was only supposed to be used for alignment during gluing according to Ernie. They should had pinned it on 2 axis then they would not have to worry about the glue popping.
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No need for the pin if you actually trust your gluing...they probably should have done a lot of things.
 
Nutterbuster said:
I think that video, while informative, fails to really consider the difference in real estate sticks with that angle on the step have. LWCG and Tethrd both have that angle because the standoffs are short.

A LW/Novix/Trophyline stick is 4" from the table to the middle of the step and to the tips. A Tethrd stick is 3" from the table to the middle of the step and 4" to the tips. You can either look at it as "it's just an inch" or "It's 25% less space." Same with weight. You can either say a LW/TL/Nvx stick is "only half a pound more" or "It's 50% heavier."

The high speed, low drag, uberlight sticks definitely get there by shaving material and real estate. Pros and cons.

As far as what "man feet" are, Google says here in Yoosa it's 10.5. For once in his life, Nutterbuster is above average!
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In essence exactly. Although, I'm seeing the ONE stick only measure 3.5" from table to tips. But the point remains the same.

I wear size 12 shoes. With a tape measure, the shoes break at 3.5" from the front of the shoe. I need a 4" standoff to then be able to stand on the balls of my feet. I wear size 13 hunting boots.

What does this mean to step performance? I tried the following simple experiment:

At a step, wearing shoes, I put one foot 3.5" onto the step and applied pressure. I repeated the exercise at 4" and found a far superior amount of support was provided by the step. At 3" so little support was offered as to be disqualifying.

Next I attempted to stand on the step, following that sequence. It was an eye opener. Even with both feet (as these are double step sticks) I really struggled with 3-3.5" of step support.

Factor in I was only stepping up 7.5" (vice the ONE's 17" step-step) and hunt in a larger more rigid boot, I don't see myself as capable of the dexterity required of these standoffs.

But that's a me problem....although I believe there are others like me....and that standoff just ain't for us.

In the absence of a template, you might find trying something similar gives you useful information on how these sticks will or will not fit your foot.
 
According to Ernie, they tested the stick with and without glue. The test without glue did not break until 900 lbs or so.

I did reach out to Tethrd to request a return given the concerns with glue and longevity. They responded within 5 minutes saying no worries and sent a label. They didn't attempt to talk up their product or reinforce their confidence in their product.

That's admirable, but also concerning. If someone is questioning the product's longevity I'd assume you'd at least give them the runaround that it's been tested sufficiently. I'm not too worried about the steps, the cleat rivet is my main concern. I could see it slipping and slide right up when you set a stick.
 
stone1 said:
According to Ernie, they tested the stick with and without glue. The test without glue did not break until 900 lbs or so.

I did reach out to Tethrd to request a return given the concerns with glue and longevity. They responded within 5 minutes saying no worries and sent a label. They didn't attempt to talk up their product or reinforce their confidence in their product.

That's admirable, but also concerning. If someone is questioning the product's longevity I'd assume you'd at least give them the runaround that it's been tested sufficiently. I'm not too worried about the steps, the cleat rivet is my main concern. I could see it slipping and slide right up when you set a stick.
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I think they may be listening finally. AWESOME!!!!
 
Plebe said:
I need a 4" standoff to then be able to stand on the balls of my feet. I wear size 13 hunting boots.
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I'm guessing the design intent it primarily to position your foot at an angle with your instep up against the tree. Not straight toes-to-tree.
 
stone1 said:
According to Ernie, they tested the stick with and without glue. The test without glue did not break until 900 lbs or so.

I did reach out to Tethrd to request a return given the concerns with glue and longevity. They responded within 5 minutes saying no worries and sent a label. They didn't attempt to talk up their product or reinforce their confidence in their product.

That's admirable, but also concerning. If someone is questioning the product's longevity I'd assume you'd at least give them the runaround that it's been tested sufficiently. I'm not too worried about the steps, the cleat rivet is my main concern. I could see it slipping and slide right up when you set a stick.
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I disagree. At that point, the customer has made of their mind on your product. If they aren't 100% confident in it, you're wasting your breath by replying with anything but a return label.

Don't worry, someone else will take them.
 
mattsteg said:
I'm guessing the design intent it primarily to position your foot at an angle with your instep up against the tree. Not straight toes-to-tree.
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Must be I hunt bigger trees than most. But how much overstep can be expected? This is about angles.

The step is 8.5" wide. put your heels together, and your feet in a V, and for benefit of the doubt, each foot centered 8.5" apart. Look at what you got.
 
MIbowhunter49 said:
I disagree. At that point, the customer has made of their mind on your product. If they aren't 100% confident in it, you're wasting your breath by replying with anything but a return label.

Don't worry, someone else will take them.
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If you had seen how my email was worded you would agree with me. The return was something said at the very end of a second paragraph as a possibility. Anyone with confidence in their product would have affirmed the customer's questions with results or testing.

Even something as simple as, "We could understand your hesitancy with the product and how glue was used, we would like you to let you know we have tested the product...blah blah blah". I'm not saying that would save the day, but anyone who believes in their product would reinforce their confidence in it.
 
MIbowhunter49 said:
I disagree. At that point, the customer has made of their mind on your product. If they aren't 100% confident in it, you're wasting your breath by replying with anything but a return label.

Don't worry, someone else will take them.
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I agree with Mlbowhunter49 its best to difuse the situation and just except the product back from the customer. The company is not going to beg their customers to keep their product. I personally love it when you can return an item no questions asked.
 
Dave56 said:
I agree with Mlbowhunter49 its best to difuse the situation and just except the product back from the customer. The company is not going to beg their customers to keep their product. I personally love it when you can return an item no questions asked.
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I also imagine there a bunch of these being sent back and streamlining the return is beneficial to all involved.
 
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