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Tethrd phantom comfort channel wear

The idea is novel but its not practical due to the Phantom's poly ball hernia. This is from my buddies saddle that was 3 months old. 6'6" & 265 lbs... They replaced the saddle. Never tried a saddle before but what I noticed most was that the bridge would pop out of the channels while moving around. Kinda like a unexpected thud. I know what I would do after the warranty runs out unless they do a total retro recall... which they should. Take it to a sail or boat yard shop and have them do a DIY fabric taco and eliminate the string of ball... unless some else has a better idea... super easy fix
 

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luckylakes said:
The idea is novel but its not practical due to the Phantom's poly ball hernia. This is from my buddies saddle that was 3 months old. 6'6" & 265 lbs... They replaced the saddle. Never tried a saddle before but what I noticed most was that the bridge would pop out of the channels while moving around. Kinda like a unexpected thud. I know what I would do after the warranty runs out unless they do a total retro recall... which they should. Take it to a sail or boat yard shop and have them do a DIY fabric taco and eliminate the string of ball... unless some else has a better idea... super easy fix
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Easiest fix would be to get it replaced under warranty and sell it when that new one comes in...

But in all seriousness there are several manufactures that are using prussic knots on the bridge loops to accomplish this same task but with even more adjustability with a little more work. I haven’t heard of slipping. Might be another option.

I would carefully remove the ball sack from the phantom and use a prussic like a triad bridge or similar.
 
enkriss said:
Easiest fix would be to get it replaced under warranty and sell it when that new one comes in...

But in all seriousness there are several manufactures that are using prussic knots on the bridge loops to accomplish this same task but with even more adjustability with a little more work. I haven’t heard of slipping. Might be another option.

I would carefully remove the ball sack from the phantom and use a prussic like a triad bridge or similar.
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I think we just found what to do with all these castration bands.

What to do with my 97 castration bands??

So I used 3 of my bands. 2 on my ridge runner and one on my tether. Since I don't have anything to denut what other ideas do you all have??
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luckylakes said:
The idea is novel but its not practical due to the Phantom's poly ball hernia. This is from my buddies saddle that was 3 months old. 6'6" & 265 lbs... They replaced the saddle. Never tried a saddle before but what I noticed most was that the bridge would pop out of the channels while moving around. Kinda like a unexpected thud. I know what I would do after the warranty runs out unless they do a total retro recall... which they should. Take it to a sail or boat yard shop and have them do a DIY fabric taco and eliminate the string of ball... unless some else has a better idea... super easy fix
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I think this might come down to an assumption about materials (that isn't justified?). (EDIT: An assumption by the maker)

I heard about folks using wider tubular webbing to sheath the belt of a climbing harness and then run narrower webbing inside the wide webbing to make lineman's loops. I was going to try it and bought some 2" webbing. I noticed that the webbing didn't appear as strong when something was inside it and trying to tear it apart. After all, it is designed to resist lateral pulls. Maybe similar thing here.

It reminds me of people thinking all ends of a knot are equally secure and you can load a knot in any which way once tied.
 
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Raisins, I think you misunderstood me unless your are referring just to the ball capture material. Under stretch and stress the ball wants to pop out either because of the material picked or the design application for capture. The harness is compromised only in that the balls fall out. I don't see the strength being compromised just the design intent of ball capture to have a bridge tilt. BUT I'm not a engineer. So what is the fix? After all the balls come out on their own simply wrap another piece of 2" webbing completely around the affected area like a taco with the open end up and resew in in the same manner as the capture ball stitches except in the center of the vacant ball location through all the webbing & then across the top to seal the edge parallel with the bridge straps to clean it up. Super simple. All you are doing is adding more strength and a fatter area for the rope mod as outlined by some and encasing that piece of affected material. If is was my harness and after the warranty or what ever is done by Tethrd and the problem persisted that is the route I personally would take. In another sense if some felt insecure and will refuse to use it they could take it a pull bench for fun and try a destructive test with a scale on that mod and then the other side as is. I'll bet a ham sandwich and a case of beer the fix will be stronger and break last.
 
luckylakes said:
Raisins, I think you misunderstood me unless your are referring just to the ball capture material. Under stretch and stress the ball wants to pop out either because of the material picked or the design application for capture. The harness is compromised only in that the balls fall out. I don't see the strength being compromised just the design intent of ball capture to have a bridge tilt. BUT I'm not a engineer. So what is the fix? After all the balls come out on their own simply wrap another piece of 2" webbing completely around the affected area like a taco with the open end up and resew in in the same manner as the capture ball stitches except in the center of the vacant ball location through all the webbing & then across the top to seal the edge parallel with the bridge straps to clean it up. Super simple. All you are doing is adding more strength and a fatter area for the rope mod as outlined by some and encasing that piece of affected material. If is was my harness and after the warranty or what ever is done by Tethrd and the problem persisted that is the route I personally would take. In another sense if some felt insecure and will refuse to use it they could take it a pull bench for fun and try a destructive test with a scale on that mod and then the other side as is. I'll bet a ham sandwich and a case of beer the fix will be stronger and break last.
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I was just referring to the idea that just because something has a break strength of a few thousand pounds when pulled end to end doesn't mean that you can put a ball inside of it and that that high breaking strength will translate into the balls NOT poking through. You are pushing on the weave in a way it was not intended to handle force.

That's all. Just guessing at how it happened as far as design.
 
luckylakes said:
Under stretch and stress the ball wants to pop out either because of the material picked or the design application for capture. The harness is compromised only in that the balls fall out.
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Hiding the structural material of the loops where it can't be inspected, but is subject to abrasion damage (whether from the balls or from grit that makes its way in through the perforated ballsack) isn't great.
 
Raisins , I totally agree. I hope R&D would be done before future production and my guess is that a sandwich of 2ea type materials would be tested to combat that. For all the folks who have this issue I was just trying to come up with a simple fix after all else is done w/o pocket loss and piece of mind. I did think it was a very comfortable saddle.
 
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I added a piece of elastic bungee to both sides that I slide down over the prusik loop and eye loop. Like the castration bands. It keeps enough tension on it to stay in the comfort channel.

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Warning. I would not buy a comfort ball saddle. Buy another brand


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FloridaMan said:
Everytime I see your username I can only think of the kids bar named Raisins in south park. hilarious though probably not why that's your username
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LOL....I hadn't ever heard of it until now. The truth is that my username is totally random, doesn't mean much to me, and I don't even like to eat raisins that much. I only eat them in raisin bran every month or so.
 
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