The phantasm is born

[gcr0003]

It’s the Union Jack british

Oh, just different colors? Are you from UK or Canada or something?

 

[wayne r]

I live in the Uk but have to bow hunt in other country’s as it’s not legal here, hence finding this site and having to build saddles we don’t have anything like this at home, I wish I knew about them years ago.
I have had many hunting trips abroad and this is perfect for travelling, regards Wayne

 

[gcr0003]

I live in the Uk but have to bow hunt in other country’s as it’s not legal here, hence finding this site and having to build saddles we don’t have anything like this at home, I wish I knew about them years ago.
I have had many hunting trips abroad and this is perfect for travelling, regards Wayne

Sorry to sidetrack your DIY build, but that is awesome! Thanks for contributing such awesome work.

 

[wayne r]

Sorry to sidetrack your DIY build, but that is awesome! Thanks for contributing such awesome work.

That’s fine I managed a hunt in Vermont for a black bear with my own R/D longbow and almost managed to pull it off, I found my first ever black bear and got stalked into 40 yards, as I climbed into position the wind switched and he winded me at 30 yards, I tried to close a few yards to get the shot but he turned into the thick cover and I couldn’t get a shot, I did though manage to get a porcupine in some amazing country.

 

[sdoyle1]

good luck anything your not sure of just ask,regards wayne

I greatly appreciate the help. Mesh arrived today and I knocked it out after work.

I’ll make an Amsteel utilibridge copy in the morning and do a ground level test hang. Not too worried about it though as the machine performed wonderfully and I used 138 bonded polyester thread.
Just checked weight. Without a bridge it’s 1lb 4.2 oz.

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[wayne r]

I greatly appreciate the help. Mesh arrived today and I knocked it out after work.

I’ll make an Amsteel utilibridge copy in the morning and do a ground level test hang. Not too worried about it though as the machine performed wonderfully and I used 138 bonded polyester thread.
Just checked weight. Without a bridge it’s 1lb 4.2 oz.

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Nice job can’t wait to hear feedback, regards Wayne

 

[Squirrels]

I greatly appreciate the help. Mesh arrived today and I knocked it out after work.

I’ll make an Amsteel utilibridge copy in the morning and do a ground level test hang. Not too worried about it though as the machine performed wonderfully and I used 138 bonded polyester thread.
Just checked weight. Without a bridge it’s 1lb 4.2 oz.

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What webbing are you using for your lineman’s loops/molle ( the green shaded webbing)???


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[sdoyle1]

What webbing are you using for your lineman’s loops/molle ( the green shaded webbing)???


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It’s some milspec nylon webbing I ordered off amazon from Strapworks.

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[AccPrnHunter]

Yes

by far the phantom style saddle is the easiest to make, the nature of the kestrel clone it’s 4 pieces all to match up then edge, just so you know how I came to my sizing I literally took the two half moon shapes of the kestrel clone and put them together to get the shape both styles are very comfortable I have gone a little over size from what the phantom actually is but I had not seen one and the measurements had not been disclosed.
I feel happy in my size the 13” depth is enough to fit round the waist but not too high
And not to low, it does not give pressure points anywhere.
i like how the linesman works and I did slightly longer bridge loops and feel this with the saddle length does not give any hip pinch in any way, regards Wayne
Ps look at my threads for the kestrel clone under meet Betsy and you can see how I did that
final piece to complete the saddles

You did one amazing job on these saddles! I am very impressed. I’m brand new to the saddle hunting and haven’t committed to anything yet. I’m trying to research and watch videos to educate myself a bit first. I’ve been leaning towards a DIY saddle and your feed on here is absolutely perfect. If you don’t mind me asking, what kind of time and expense is involved with your project? Obviously you have a great bit of experience where as I have none. Lol. From what I have seen or heard about doing this yourself it seems that an ordinary sewing machine isn’t capable of pulling this off. Would you agree?


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[wayne r]

You did one amazing job on these saddles! I am very impressed. I’m brand new to the saddle hunting and haven’t committed to anything yet. I’m trying to research and watch videos to educate myself a bit first. I’ve been leaning towards a DIY saddle and your feed on here is absolutely perfect. If you don’t mind me asking, what kind of time and expense is involved with your project? Obviously you have a great bit of experience where as I have none. Lol. From what I have seen or heard about doing this yourself it seems that an ordinary sewing machine isn’t capable of pulling this off. Would you agree?


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I started with a Home sewing machine and when it wouldn’t sew through certain webbing I just hand turned the wheel to get me by. I bought a cheap industrial machine from the 1940’s I only paid a few dollars in your money but spent time setting it up which isn’t hard as there is very little to them, a good oiling then we were off, honestly it isn’t hard to do just go really slow and you will get there material costs are not expensive but it will take a bit of time for your first, expect around 6 hours but don’t rush it.
A modern machine would be far easier but it costs,
this is a huge rabbit hole to go down because it doesn’t stop I have made all my own kit but I like a challenge and I will try to do everything I can.
you will be able to do it cheaper than shop bought but don’t skimp as the kit is important and it’s your lifeline, but everyone has there own comfort zone.
You could go and buy the saddle or you could invest that money in a good machine and set yourself up to do many more projects if you are that way inclined just ask yourself if you want to make other things for me that is easy it started off with an under quilt for hammock hunting then hats bino harness multiple saddles and kit I am now comfortable with it but still need to go slow at bits, but the satisfaction of completing beats everything.
Going back to costs I bought genuin buckles and good quality materials and managed to get quite a few out of that material so it was worth while.
In my opinion it is worth setting yourself up for many different projects and in the long run it does save money but the outlay in the beginning doesn’t if you just want one thing.
If you decide to have a go I will help with advice,
If you are new to saddles and want a way in I would happily make you a saddle for material costs and you get to try it out without spending too much.
Hope this helps Wayne

 

[AccPrnHunter]

I started with a Home sewing machine and when it wouldn’t sew through certain webbing I just hand turned the wheel to get me by. I bought a cheap industrial machine from the 1940’s I only paid a few dollars in your money but spent time setting it up which isn’t hard as there is very little to them, a good oiling then we were off, honestly it isn’t hard to do just go really slow and you will get there material costs are not expensive but it will take a bit of time for your first, expect around 6 hours but don’t rush it.
A modern machine would be far easier but it costs,
this is a huge rabbit hole to go down because it doesn’t stop I have made all my own kit but I like a challenge and I will try to do everything I can.
you will be able to do it cheaper than shop bought but don’t skimp as the kit is important and it’s your lifeline, but everyone has there own comfort zone.
You could go and buy the saddle or you could invest that money in a good machine and set yourself up to do many more projects if you are that way inclined just ask yourself if you want to make other things for me that is easy it started off with an under quilt for hammock hunting then hats bino harness multiple saddles and kit I am now comfortable with it but still need to go slow at bits, but the satisfaction of completing beats everything.
Going back to costs I bought genuin buckles and good quality materials and managed to get quite a few out of that material so it was worth while.
In my opinion it is worth setting yourself up for many different projects and in the long run it does save money but the outlay in the beginning doesn’t if you just want one thing.
If you decide to have a go I will help with advice,
If you are new to saddles and want a way in I would happily make you a saddle for material costs and you get to try it out without spending too much.
Hope this helps Wayne

I appreciate the advice. Thank you! I just may take you up on the offer. Safety and expense is a big deal to me, but I would definitely pay you for your time and expenses. I had a bad accident and fell at work in 2010. Now I’m forced retired if you will and relying on a government fixed income of disability and social security. I can still do just about anything I want, but I have to do it in moderation. Too much activity today, keeps me in bed tomorrow. Hence the name AccPrnHunter (Accident Prone Hunter)


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[sdoyle1]

You did one amazing job on these saddles! I am very impressed. I’m brand new to the saddle hunting and haven’t committed to anything yet. I’m trying to research and watch videos to educate myself a bit first. I’ve been leaning towards a DIY saddle and your feed on here is absolutely perfect. If you don’t mind me asking, what kind of time and expense is involved with your project? Obviously you have a great bit of experience where as I have none. Lol. From what I have seen or heard about doing this yourself it seems that an ordinary sewing machine isn’t capable of pulling this off. Would you agree?


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First off let me state I’m not Wayne. I most likely would have never pulled this off without the detail and instructions from him in this thread. I just finished mine last night and posted the pictures. This is my first saddle build. It took me five to six hours to build and that is from making the pattern to finishing up all the sewing. I did this with an industrial sewing machine. I believe I could have done it with a home sewing machine but there would have been a lot of turning the wheel by hand and would have taken me significantly longer. I definitely could do one much quicker now as a lot of time was spent really figuring out where everything went and in what order to do it. I’d say if it’s something you’re serious about just scour Facebook marketplace and Craigslist for industrial sewing machines until you find one for a good deal. I was looking for a month or better when I luckily found one that I got for $200. I then added a servo motor and it worked like a champ for my build last night. I had fun doing it and will likely be making several more.


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[AccPrnHunter]

First off let me state I’m not Wayne. I most likely would have never pulled this off without the detail and instructions from him in this thread. I just finished mine last night and posted the pictures. This is my first saddle build. It took me five to six hours to build and that is from making the pattern to finishing up all the sewing. I did this with an industrial sewing machine. I believe I could have done it with a home sewing machine but there would have been a lot of turning the wheel by hand and would have taken me significantly longer. I definitely could do one much quicker now as a lot of time was spent really figuring out where everything went and in what order to do it. I’d say if it’s something you’re serious about just scour Facebook marketplace and Craigslist for industrial sewing machines until you find one for a good deal. I was looking for a month or better when I luckily found one that I got for $200. I then added a servo motor and it worked like a champ for my build last night. I had fun doing it and will likely be making several more.


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Man if I start doing this on my own I will probably be ready by season 2021! Lol. I’ve been watching so many videos and researching different ideas on DIY projects for saddle hunting lately I’d probably forget half of it by time I figured out what sewing machine I need, finding one and not to mention figuring out how to use it. Yours turned out really well too from what I can see. Especially being your first one!


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[sdoyle1]

Man if I start doing this on my own I will probably be ready by season 2021! Lol. I’ve been watching so many videos and researching different ideas on DIY projects for saddle hunting lately I’d probably forget half of it by time I figured out what sewing machine I need, finding one and not to mention figuring out how to use it. Yours turned out really well too from what I can see. Especially being your first one!


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Thanks. I have sewed a little before. Not much for 30 years but my mother has sewed for at least 50 years and growing up I did a little bit. The industrial machine I got has walking foot and needle feed so it keeps everything in place nicely. Once I added the servo motor it is very controllable. It makes the actual stitching the easy part of the build. The measuring, cutting, assembly and managing tension is the hardest part although I didn’t find that too difficult. I did have tension issues when I moved from stitching through one layer of seatbelt webbing to two layers. I ended up cutting my waist buckle off and redoing it because of this. It wasn’t too big of a deal as webbing wasn’t attached to saddle yet. Just take your time and have fun.


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[Squirrels]

It’s some milspec nylon webbing I ordered off amazon from Strapworks.

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It looks like 17337 milspec to me just looking at the pics you posted. Just beware the break strength on that is only 1200 lbs. It may be just fine and never cause you any harm but just a word of caution.


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[AccPrnHunter]

Thanks. I have sewed a little before. Not much for 30 years but my mother has sewed for at least 50 years and growing up I did a little bit. The industrial machine I got has walking foot and needle feed so it keeps everything in place nicely. Once I added the servo motor it is very controllable. It makes the actual stitching the easy part of the build. The measuring, cutting, assembly and managing tension is the hardest part although I didn’t find that too difficult. I did have tension issues when I moved from stitching through one layer of seatbelt webbing to two layers. I ended up cutting my waist buckle off and redoing it because of this. It wasn’t too big of a deal as webbing wasn’t attached to saddle yet. Just take your time and have fun.


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Would something like this work?

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[sdoyle1]

It looks like 17337 milspec to me just looking at the pics you posted. Just beware the break strength on that is only 1200 lbs. It may be just fine and never cause you any harm but just a word of caution.


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Thanks for the heads up. I may go back and stitch the tubular webbing to the main saddle a bit more just to strengthen that up. I’ll be sure to research the 1” webbing more before my next build. Anything in particular you suggest?


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[sdoyle1]

Would something like this work?

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I honestly don’t know. From what I’ve read it most likely will work if it has all metal gears. However you very well may be stitching a lot of it by turning the hand wheel.


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[Squirrels]

Thanks for the heads up. I may go back and stitch the tubular webbing to the main saddle a bit more just to strengthen that up. I’ll be sure to research the 1” webbing more before my next build. Anything in particular you suggest?


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I would use nothing less than a 4,000 lb rated webbing. I used 6,000 lb on mine. I have some suggestions for some of your stitch patterns as well if you are interested to hear them.

 

[gcr0003]

I would use nothing less than a 4,000 lb rated webbing. I used 6,000 lb on mine. I have some suggestions for some of your stitch patterns as well if you are interested to hear them.

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