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Timbertrail E-bike

You need to look at the law that was set in 2019 . A 750 watt ebike is legal on state forest land . Class 2 bike max speed 20 miles per hour. Google PA laws for e-bikes 2019 . People for ebikes
From what I read about 2019 law was that it’s pa road ways they are allowed on now. The picture I posted was from the DCNR web site. But I guess I need to do some more digging on this subject. But honestly what ranger is going to stop a bike and be like oh that’s over 750 watts lol they prob look at it and be like oh another Bicyclist. Idk tho they could be trained on it since it’s becoming more popular.
 
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I was surprised, just based on the verbiage I assumed it was referencing combustion motors or electric golf carts/scooters. Not according to a district captain I talked to, who was actually familiar with QuietKat, he had purchased one for the other officers in his district. Apparently his take is that it can lead to disturbance or trail damage.

I’m reaching out to the Land & Water access rep & see what’s required to get specific clarification in the regs.


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I called one of my local game wardens and he said he'll need to double check the laws because a lot of things have changed and there are different types of ebikes.

However, I did read this. I'm no expert but from what I can tell, if your ebike meets these specifications, then by federal law, it's not considered a motorized vehicle and overrides any state laws that are more stringent.

``Sec. 38. <<NOTE: 15 USC 2085.>> (a) Notwithstanding any other
provision of law, low-speed electric bicycles are consumer products
within the meaning of section 3(a)(1) and shall be subject to the
Commission regulations published at section 1500.18(a)(12) and part 1512
of title 16, Code of Federal Regulations.

``(b) For the purpose of this section, the term `low-speed electric
bicycle' means a two- or three-wheeled vehicle with fully operable
pedals and an electric motor of less than 750 watts (1 h.p.), whose
maximum speed on a paved level surface, when powered solely by such a
motor while ridden by an operator who weighs 170 pounds, is less than 20
mph.

``(c) To further protect the safety of consumers who ride low-speed
electric bicycles, the Commission may promulgate new or amended
requirements applicable to such vehicles as necessary and appropriate.
``(d) This section shall supersede any State law or requirement with
respect to low-speed electric bicycles to the extent that such State law
or requirement is more stringent than the Federal law or requirements
referred to in subsection (a).
''.

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (02/27/2001)

Amends the Consumer Product Safety Act (CPSA) to provide that low-speed electric bicycles are consumer products and shall be subject to Consumer Product Safety Commission regulations.
States that, for purposes of Federal motor vehicle safety standards, a low-speed electric bicycle as defined by CPSA shall not be considered to be a motor vehicle within the ambit of Federal transportation law.

 
I called one of my local game wardens and he said he'll need to double check the laws because a lot of things have changed and there are different types of ebikes.

However, I did read this. I'm no expert but from what I can tell, if your ebike meets these specifications, then by federal law, it's not considered a motorized vehicle and overrides any state laws that are more stringent.

``Sec. 38. > (a) Notwithstanding any other
provision of law, low-speed electric bicycles are consumer products
within the meaning of section 3(a)(1) and shall be subject to the
Commission regulations published at section 1500.18(a)(12) and part 1512
of title 16, Code of Federal Regulations.

``(b) For the purpose of this section, the term `low-speed electric
bicycle' means a two- or three-wheeled vehicle with fully operable
pedals and an electric motor of less than 750 watts (1 h.p.), whose
maximum speed on a paved level surface, when powered solely by such a
motor while ridden by an operator who weighs 170 pounds, is less than 20
mph.

``(c) To further protect the safety of consumers who ride low-speed
electric bicycles, the Commission may promulgate new or amended
requirements applicable to such vehicles as necessary and appropriate.
``(d) This section shall supersede any State law or requirement with
respect to low-speed electric bicycles to the extent that such State law
or requirement is more stringent than the Federal law or requirements
referred to in subsection (a).
''.

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (02/27/2001)

Amends the Consumer Product Safety Act (CPSA) to provide that low-speed electric bicycles are consumer products and shall be subject to Consumer Product Safety Commission regulations.
States that, for purposes of Federal motor vehicle safety standards, a low-speed electric bicycle as defined by CPSA shall not be considered to be a motor vehicle within the ambit of Federal transportation law.


Yeah I would not be surprised to see a different response from another district, that is usually what happens with these vague WRC rules.

The info I got was from a Sgt & Captain for District 4, coastal area. They both personally agreed that the law was vague & needed to be clarified.

I’m reaching out to the land/water access head next week, lll post what I find out.


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From what I read about 2019 law was that it’s pa road ways they are allowed on now. The picture I posted was from the DCNR web site. But I guess I need to do some more digging on this subject. But honestly what ranger is going to stop a bike and be like oh that’s over 750 watts lol they prob look at it and be like oh another Bicyclist. Idk tho they could be trained on it since it’s becoming more popular.
Google what I wrote before . 750 watts are considered bikes.
 
Google what I wrote before . 750 watts are considered bikes.
I did man. But on the DCNR web site it clearly states the current law and that class 2 and three bikes aren’t allowed on state bike trails and roadways. Don’t make sense to me. But don’t matter to me I’m still getting one lol and still will be riding it out dirt roads at camp.
 
1/25/2020 is when this was posted ebike section is like 5th or so one down.


says they where supposed to vote in April to make it legal. Can’t find anything current on it other then this. All on pa state sites.
 
I just googled PA State forest and ebikes are allowed on state forest and they are allowed where ever bikes are and also on National forest. As far as game lands that's another thing. The Game Commission is suppose to meet sometime in May about it from what I understand.
 
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I just googled PA State forest and ebikes are allowed on state forest and they are allowed where ever bikes are and also on National forest. As far as game lands that's another thing. The Game Commission is suppose to meet sometime in May about it from what I understand.
Id like to see what your seeing ? Just bc it’s on google doesn’t mean it’s true. Every state site I’ve been on clearly states that class 2-3 e bikes are not permitted. Class 1 ebikes are permitted. That last article I posted clearly states they are pushing for class 2 bikes to be legal for hunting purposes as long as it passed here soon. Can you post links to what your reading? But by the sounds of it here soon they should be from what I’ve read on all state sites.
 
Id like to see what your seeing ? Just bc it’s on google doesn’t mean it’s true. Every state site I’ve been on clearly states that class 2-3 e bikes are not permitted. Class 1 ebikes are permitted. That last article I posted clearly states they are pushing for class 2 bikes to be legal for hunting purposes as long as it passed here soon. Can you post links to what your reading? But by the sounds of it here soon they should be from what I’ve read on all state sites.
Can't do it I tried. Just look up ebikes allowed on PA state forest. Also check out National forest and parks.
 
What kind of issues are you having with the Sturmey? I have one on mine and so far it’s been fine. Anything I should be looking out for? My bike has a couple hundred miles on it at this point with the gear hub.


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The hub stripped and they sent me a new one.
 
You need to look at the law that was set in 2019 . A 750 watt ebike is legal on state forest land . Class 2 bike max speed 20 miles per hour. Google PA laws for e-bikes 2019 . People for ebikes
I believe class 2 bikes have a throttle
 
Yeah difference between one and two, Is one you have to peddle to start the motor. Two can be powered without peddling.
 
I could easily turn mine into a class one by unplugging my throttle


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So here is the replies I received from the NCWRC land/water access chief. He gave permission to share his comments & welcomes any input from NC outdoors enthusiasts.


Hello Matt,

This is on our radar and a discussion we are just beginning. To help with that discussion, I have a couple questions for you:

What function would an ebike serve you on a game land? Essentially, when, why, and how would you use one?
Given your answers to question #1, what would your recommendation be if we were to allow ebikes on game lands?



Thank you for your thoughts and opinions. I am not sure where we will end up, but I appreciate your idea. Sure, you can share my comments. I welcome any input on this topic.

Thank you again,

Brian

If anyone wants to reach out, his name is Brian McRae: brian.mcrae@ncwildlife.org



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So here is the replies I received from the NCWRC land/water access chief. He gave permission to share his comments & welcomes any input from NC outdoors enthusiasts.


Hello Matt,

This is on our radar and a discussion we are just beginning. To help with that discussion, I have a couple questions for you:

What function would an ebike serve you on a game land? Essentially, when, why, and how would you use one?
Given your answers to question #1, what would your recommendation be if we were to allow ebikes on game lands?



Thank you for your thoughts and opinions. I am not sure where we will end up, but I appreciate your idea. Sure, you can share my comments. I welcome any input on this topic.

Thank you again,

Brian

If anyone wants to reach out, his name is Brian McRae: brian.mcrae@ncwildlife.org



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I emailed him.
 
So here is the replies I received from the NCWRC land/water access chief. He gave permission to share his comments & welcomes any input from NC outdoors enthusiasts.


Hello Matt,

This is on our radar and a discussion we are just beginning. To help with that discussion, I have a couple questions for you:

What function would an ebike serve you on a game land? Essentially, when, why, and how would you use one?
Given your answers to question #1, what would your recommendation be if we were to allow ebikes on game lands?



Thank you for your thoughts and opinions. I am not sure where we will end up, but I appreciate your idea. Sure, you can share my comments. I welcome any input on this topic.

Thank you again,

Brian

If anyone wants to reach out, his name is Brian McRae: brian.mcrae@ncwildlife.org



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Anyone here familiar with Timbertrail ebikes? Met them at a hunting expo in Raleigh, NC. From what I understand, they are the only folks with a 2-wheel drive bike. Of course, you can pedal, pedal-assist, run one-wheel or two-wheel drive. It seems like a much cheaper alternative to a Rambo bike that equals (or potentially) surpasses it in performance because it has 2-wheel drive capability.


Definitely want to get an ebike but don't want to break the bank anymore than needed. Would love to get feedback from anyone who has an e-bike and has used it in steep terrain. Is having a powerful (rambo-like) motor or 2 wheel drive a necessity to get in and out of steep terrain? I'm more than willing to go with a sub $2k bike if it will adequately meet my needs. And although I don't solely hunt steep terrain, I do hunt it throughout the season.

Also, do any of you ride your bike down steep terrain with timber? Just curious if you're able to do so without picking up substantial speed.
I purchased a timber trails ebike last april.The AWD is set up well.The front wheel seems to pull just a little bit harder then the rear and that helps to control steering on slick muddy areas as well as when climbing loose gravel.But i wish it was 1000 watts front and rear as i have encountered some steep climbs where traction was good because of the AWD but even in the top pedal assist setting the motors just ran out of steam and this from a freshly charged battery with less then 2 miles since charged.Now here is the bad news,,,at 135 miles the front fork is junk.The bushings and seals cannot have been quality from the start.I can hold the front brake on and rock the bike back and forth about an inch and a half forward and back and watch the inside tube flex back and forth inside the outer tube.Although all the miles have been off road as i use the bike for scouting my hunting areas,,im an old man and i ride like one.Reading the warranty i see the front fork is not included..I am seriously thinking of building my own bike modeled after the Rungu.They have it right with the 2 front wheels to virtually eliminate washout.Although the AWD helps i have still gone down a handful of times on the Timber Trails when cornering in mud.I just cannot bring myself to fork over 6 to 7 K for a Rungu.
 
I purchased a timber trails ebike last april.The AWD is set up well.The front wheel seems to pull just a little bit harder then the rear and that helps to control steering on slick muddy areas as well as when climbing loose gravel.But i wish it was 1000 watts front and rear as i have encountered some steep climbs where traction was good because of the AWD but even in the top pedal assist setting the motors just ran out of steam and this from a freshly charged battery with less then 2 miles since charged.Now here is the bad news,,,at 135 miles the front fork is junk.The bushings and seals cannot have been quality from the start.I can hold the front brake on and rock the bike back and forth about an inch and a half forward and back and watch the inside tube flex back and forth inside the outer tube.Although all the miles have been off road as i use the bike for scouting my hunting areas,,im an old man and i ride like one.Reading the warranty i see the front fork is not included..I am seriously thinking of building my own bike modeled after the Rungu.They have it right with the 2 front wheels to virtually eliminate washout.Although the AWD helps i have still gone down a handful of times on the Timber Trails when cornering in mud.I just cannot bring myself to fork over 6 to 7 K for a Rungu.
 
I bought a Rambo 750 last summer on clearance.The concept is great and when the bike works,it's a game changer for the way I hunt.It hasn't been without it's problems though.Last spring I ordered a M2S ultra and just got it a few weeks ago.It was $2600 delivered and so far it's been awesome.The Bafand ultra motor is an absolute beast and the rest of the bike is holding up extremely well.Very hoghly recommended.
 
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