Visualize what happens if the locking carabiner breaks. Your bridge moves downward, and contacts the gate, pushing it inward, and unclipping you. You fall.
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Testing will determine if you are right or wrong.
How much testing? Do you want to rely on something that fails even 2% of the time?
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No its not. Should be clipped in the same direction as the Metolius locker...
Abracadabra.It is. Look at the picture more closely or the video above.
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You're kidding right???? This is a very common occurrence in lead sport climbing, you always clipped through a quick draw from the cliff side coming out the fron side so when you fall, it doesn't loop over the gate and pop out. It happens real fast. Here's a quick video that shows how it happens.
Look at the video I posted for testing. You are misapplying the backclipping conditions.
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It's twisted when it's laying not weighted. It has to rotate around your bridge to be in the right position. I can see the twist in the cordage you have it hooked to. Thats poor rope management..it should rest the correct position...but you do you...im moving on.
Yes. I am always wrong even when I'm right. That is a sling which needs to be loose so I can advance my ascender. I admitted I was wrong on a comment I made yesterday on SH. I cannot always be right. That is why I test instead of relying on Youtube videos. I blindly listed to a few "experts" on SH in the past and I had failures which were at ground level, thank God. I NEVER do that now.
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It's fine...again..do what you feel comfortable with. If testing one time makes you comfortable great... and it worked 100% of the time.
And if you think my knowledge and experience is based on YouTube videos then so be it....
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I always instinctively clipped in from the bottom (so my gate is pointing up/back at me) on my tether and lineman's lanyards is this correct given your video?
This is only a backup to my main carabiner which should not break as you mentioned before.
Chiming in here real quick. Sorry bud.
First, I don't care who clips what where as long as it's not my fat butt in it.
2nd, Vtbow is a friend. One of the first I made on here. Aside from just being a good guy, he's extremely knowledgeable about things like how to hook up carabiners and not die. He's polite enough and sensible enough not to rub it in folks' faces, but he has a substantially larger amount of experience than the vast majority of folks on here. There's a reason he's one of those 2 or 3 guys who posts the links and documents to stuff nobody honestly wants to take the time to read, and why he seems to know technical specs of all kinds of gear off the top of his head...
So, as much as I know that I'm at the right end of the bell curve when it comes to intelligence, and as much as I have that thing in me that assures me I'm obviously always right, and as much as I detest authority figures and being told what to do....when he talks I listen. If you're wondering if the fence is hot you can definitely pee on it yourself. Or you can ask the farmer.
I'm just a knucklehead with a lot of posts and a YouTube channel. He's not. Arguing with him on climbing best practices is not in your best interest.
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You're good. Doesn't really matter in that application.
I just opened this thread up again and that picture came up. My immediate thought was "back clipped"
Vtbow has assessment of this correct. But since the primary carabiner will not fail, it's just more stuff to deal with. If you want to use it it should be clipped in alongside the primary Carabiner with opposed gates.
Vtbow has assessment of this correct. But since the primary carabiner will not fail, it's just more stuff to deal with. If you want to use it it should be clipped in alongside the primary Carabiner with opposed gates.
That's opposite to the direction VTbow recommends. That is the truth. Take a look at the video I posted above to see what happens when weighted suddenly.
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I guess I'm making enemies on here by posting what I do and I did clip my carabiner in the direction VTbow recommended. I don't know what else I can do. I did this in the past a few times and now Dano sells Helium Aiders that are attached to a dangerous spot in confirmation of what I reported. I don't have to always be right. I am wrong sometimes and when I am I admit it. My boss expects it of me as it is written in His words and I try to follow His commands.
No enemy on this side man. And ole vtbow is definitely not your enemy.