Who Did Not Snort the Fairy Dust? And Why?

[woodsdog2]

I think the RF tries to break up the potentially dry and boring information regarding broadhead penetration, tuning etc. (Its not boring to me however) in a way that makes it more straightforward and throws a little humor into the mix to keep it lighthearted. He says in other videos where he disdains people saying if you do do it a certain way you're just not good enough or whatever. I think he tries to make it somewhat entertaining for everyone. He never says you have to go heavy just that in his experience on game on his ranch, he has some information to offer. Plus, ASHBY's presentations are kind of dry but good stuff. Just a little mundane, especially for the short attention span people amongst us nowadays.

 

[Weldabeast]

maybe ranch fairy subscribe to saddle hunter

 

[FLYIN_HAYN]

I’m flinging victory vap gamers .300 cut at 28in with 75g ethics insert/outserts with 4 Q2I fusion x II vanes in a 3 degree helical on reflective wraps with a g nock and topped with 125g exodus swept blades. Coming in right around 485g and around 18% FOC. These laser beams are flying 290+ outta my vertix at 70# 29” @85% let off. Pass through everything so far and fly great out to 100 yards even with some wind. I’ve shot 4 animals (2 hogs, 1 billy, and 1 doe) with the same arrow and it’s still in my quiver with the 4 others still yet to get bloody. The ethics insert outsert combo really strengthens these buggers up front and the exodus blasts through bone like nothing. I went this way cuz I need straight arrow flight as we hunt a lot of angle shots and tight shooting lanes.

Here is my normal 35yrd 3shot group. As you can see these babies group tighter then a leopard leotard on Santa Claus. I firmly believe with shot placement, fast small diameter arrows, and bone busting tips you will pass through pretty much anything under 60 yards.

 

[Henryvd88]

I haven't, why change what works, if I'm getting a pass through with my arrows now and they fly good I see no reason to spend more money

 

[RainingBlades]

I like troys approach of saying don’t be afraid to tinker. This has really interested me. His experiments with bare shaft and fixing bareshaft arrows to shoot like lasers are convincing.
you’ve asked why I haven’t switched, and I haven’t. The reason is this year is my first saddle year and I’ve spent a fortune on gear. All my time is dedicated to figuring out how to get up and down the tree. All my other time is scouting and hunting activities I’d like to be successful this year and if you don’t look for deer you don’t know where they are.
that being said- come January if all goes well I will be looking to improve my arrow setup.
btw 550g does fall under “rf”. Especially if you used to shoot 400g/400 spine like me AND you go through the process of figuring out a high foc set up with cut on contact broad head. He says you might try 650g and it doesn’t work so if 575g works, stick with that. You want a laser of an arrow high foc and he doesn’t specify a limit to entering “adult arrows.”
I had no interest in this at all but I’m quarantined for 2 weeks and bored out of my mind and watched all the videos. I am healthy no signs of virus.

 

[RainingBlades]

Btw I’m using victory vforce sport 400 spine with 100g Montecs for total weight of 400g 29.5” carbon to carbon. Can someone define cut on contact? My montecs cut on contact and hey leave a gaping hole do they count? Does cut on contact mean, “does not need to deploy aka mechanical”? Or is it specific to that big two blade design?

 

[Gator]

Btw I’m using victory vforce sport 400 spine with 100g Montecs for total weight of 400g 29.5” carbon to carbon. Can someone define cut on contact? My montecs cut on contact and hey leave a gaping hole do they count? Does cut on contact mean, “does not need to deploy aka mechanical”? Or is it specific to that big two blade design?

You make a valid point about COC, all broadheads cut on contact, right? But to me, it has come to really mean a fixed broadhead, i.e. no mechanical

 

[GVDocHoliday]

I've shot 60lb compounds with arrows that weight between 370-420grains since 1998....I feel I've got a good balance of speed and energy. Standard Muzzy's or Magnus Stingers....and I've only once never had the arrow go all the way through, and that was on a far shot on a spine shot...deer was still recovered. The way I look at it, I still have energy to give up.

For the last 8 years however, I've been shooting a 45-50lb@28" longbow...and I'm shooting 455grain arrows....and I'm having the same results. 172fps and complete pass throughs. Maybe if I were going for elk or Moose, I'd bump up arrow weight...but for whitetail or black bear or pronghorn...there's no need.

 

[Weldabeast]

You make a valid point about COC, all broadheads cut on contact, right? But to me, it has come to really mean a fixed broadhead, i.e. no mechanical

Chisel/trocar tip isn't really cutting as more piercing or pushing while pointy

 

[raisins]

It depends upon the game you are hunting, your hunting situation, and how powerful your bow is.

the idea that there is a one size fits all solution makes me sure that the person thinking that does not in fact have it.

Ranch Fairy shoots hogs over bait at a short and known yardage. This Is not like my deer hunting. Also with deer there are very few spots that will stop my arrow. My solution is: do not shoot the humerus or socket of the scapula. The flat part of the scapula is actually not hard to penetrate as it is thin.

My bow is a speed bow with a 30 inch draw that sends a 400 grain arrow at 300 FPS. It is also very well tuned: It blasts deer and does so with only 1 pin needed from 0 to 30 yards. What would I gain hunting deer by going to some 200 FPS set up? I guess I’ll gain the ability to shoot through a small part of bony structure that I’ve managed not to hit for the past 30 years. But I’ll lose my flat trajectory (plus for some of us fast arrows are just way more fun to shoot)

Also half of the improved flight these folks see is simply because their arrows are going slower and has nothing to do with their secret sauce. That slow arrows shoot better with marginal tune and form has been know for a long time.

Ranch Fairy has a video where he had a bare d loop causing his arrow to lift off his drop away rest. He comes up with some bad solution because he doesn’t know what has been common knowledge for 20 years: tie a small nock set below your arrow to shift the pressure from the release and loop on the arrow to slightly above. Basically making the d loop slightly less of an isosceles triangle.
Why should I trust anything he says after that regarding tuning when he doesn’t even know that?

 

[Hebeskibe]

I'll tell you that heavy arrows do work I put together some 675 grain Xbow bolts with single bevel broad heads for testing and shot a mature buck through the shoulders on purpose at 20 yards got a complete pass through it split the ball joint in three pices the deer went straight down! What I found out actually it's pretty obvious yardage estimates have to Be spot on.I went back to my old set up about 450 gr arrow for deer I will use the heavy arrows for moose hunting.

 

[Weldabeast]

Why should I trust anything he says?

Exactly....why do we trust any of those guys?

Seems we listen to people who show success....people listen to (sorry 4 spelling if any of u read) womak, eberhart, infault because they got the results to show their ideas and methods have merit....ranch fairy the same...he does produce results

As far as the bad advice that was give....he does specifically mention in most of his videos that he isn't a tech guy that works on bows....

The debate on this site is rather monotonous and boring.....u either like it or u don't....shoot what u want

 

[Bama_Xander]

I haven't had a problem with pass-throughs on my current set up (65lb pull, 414-grain arrow weight with 5mm Easton Axis micro diameter shaft, Rage hypodermics). It has been a long time since I lost a deer (9 years ago) and that was more to my poor shooting and lack of woodsmanship tracking ability back then. I have grown exponentially in both of those areas. With a better bow and setup, I shoot MOA out to 80 yds in practice for max 40 yd shot in the field, preferably 30 yd max. Just by experience, I have become a better tracker and I have gained more self-control to not start the track too early. Since that deer lost 9 years ago I have killed and pretty easily tracked one to three deer a year with my bow. Most fall within sight or I hear them crash. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

Also, I live in the south where our deer are much smaller than Northern deer so there is much less mass to go through. On the other hand, these southern deer are quicker. They can drop like no one's business so I would much rather have a better chance to hit where I am aiming with a faster arrow. And even then I still have to aim low cause they are quick.

And, I have spent enough money on hunting stuff.

 

[kongzilla]

It seems all his videos are more about broadheads and high FOC. He does have some tuning videos as well but he also states in THP videos that this is redneck tuning. Like what he says, "the arrow doesn't care what is pushing it"

after all RF may not even know how to retie a dloop, he is more concerned on tuning what he has as is on the bow and making sure arrows FP fly true with BH.

 

[PEEJAY]

The guys that are saying "i havent missed a deer in 40+ years im not changing anything"... good idea i wouldnt either. not everyone is a perfect shot but still enjoys archery. Some people understand that they are going to mess up a shot or the animal is going to move enough to screw it up. This whole EFOC UEFOC movement began with Dr Ashby. If you find Troy annoying, (i like him but i get if you dont) youtube dr. ashby's lectures and demonstrations. He has some really cool experiments to watch and isnt as much concerned with "heavy arrows" but getting all the weight up front. ESPECIALLY by keeping as much off the BACK as you can. light shafts and feathers instead of heavy fletchings.

*and he shows some good stuff about spine too.

 

[PEEJAY]

Troy made it "cool" and that bothers a lot of older bowhunters that spent years and years perfecting their speedy light arrow setup. You dont have to go to 650 to hunt this EFOC method. get a really light shaft and feathers and another 100gn up front and your golden. depending on your arrow length you can make this work at around 500 no problem

RAGES SUKK by the way. if you agree with this movement or not. They are terrible terrible broadheads that were marketed incredibly well.

for thhe guys shooting xbows- those new 450fps things are in a whole other realm and can blast through anything without having to worry about all this.

 

[neonomad]

Like what he says, "the arrow doesn't care what is pushing it"

Low value add contribution here... Similar comment was made on the recent sit down podcast with the Tethrd crew... something like “the arrow does all the work.” Disagree with both statements, the bow and the arrow are a system and the arrow cares.

 

[gameflogger]

Troy made it "cool" and that bothers a lot of older bowhunters that spent years and years perfecting their speedy light arrow setup. You dont have to go to 650 to hunt this EFOC method. get a really light shaft and feathers and another 100gn up front and your golden. depending on your arrow length you can make this work at around 500 no problem

RAGES SUKK by the way. if you agree with this movement or not. They are terrible terrible broadheads that were marketed incredibly well.

for thhe guys shooting xbows- those new 450fps things are in a whole other realm and can blast through anything without having to worry about all this.

I dunno.......... The older 3 blade rages were amazing, not very durable, but I have killed hundreds of animals with the old 3 blades with the o rings. I just knew if I killed an animal with them they would have to be pitched or rebuilt. But 13.00 a deer was not too bad a price to pay for the devastation. I have made HORRIBLE shots with those things and the deer piled up 50 yards away with entrails wrapped up in the brush. They cant run anymore when they are wrapped up with a gut bungee!

 

[TooheyBirdie]

Shoot what you want... some people who are happy with what they have.... Awesome... you do you.. I have to tinker with something though and if I dont have something to tinker with, I'm going to annoy my wife and shes going to send me to my room... I think RF gives you something else to think about and just another way for you to customize your personal setup... if you're happy with what you have and dont wanna change.. then cool.. but I'll always be trying to find a better way to climb the tree, more efficient way to process a deer, as well as trying to fine tune my bow and arrow setup constantly trying to dial in on the way I want to hunt... in other words... if u like koolaid, drink it...if not.. don't.. happy hunting everyone..

 

[BuffaloBill]

I think I'm going to end up with 100 grain Magnus Black Hornet Ser Razors on 340 spine Axis with 100 grain brass insert. Should be like 480ish TAW. Maybe I'll move to 125 grains when they're readily available again.