Who Did Not Snort the Fairy Dust? And Why?

[ThePennsylvanian]

I'm not an archery junky, I cant even tell you what my arrow weigh off the top of my head. I know this, that in my lifetime, I have wounded 3 deer, all because I made poor shots. When I tell these stories, I often get a reply of "well you were shooting heavy arrows that deer would have been recovered....." I dont see it that way, a poor shot is a poor shot, no matter what. Sometimes I get the thought that some of the thinking behind the heavy arrow gig is to compensate for poor shots taken, but they happen. Now I'm saying that one is better than the other, but there is no one arrow weight to 100% guarantee that deer will die. Fact is broadheads kill deer, some are more durable than others, but they'll all kill deer. I feel more emphasis should be on shot placement, or low vs high percentage shots and so on, instead of being on how to compensate so shot percentage is hypothetically smaller, that's not a good recipe IMHO....

 

[FletchDeep]

Lol....wrong. If you tune your bow, fixed Broadheads will fly....first let’s establish that FACT! Believe what you want about mechanicals! I have shot plenty of deer with both. Shoot a 250-300# deer with a mechanical and hit anywhere in the shoulder and let’s talk about your results... Any quality fixed head you will be fine. With a mechanical, good luck. Some will certainly out perform others!

Shoot what makes you feel good, I certainly will!

I’m not trying to convert anyone, just stating what works extremely well for me.

If I miss do to misjudging yardage, I missed. It’s not my arrows fault. That’s the point that needs to be understood! FACT!

My buck with a sevr 2.1 through both scapulas no problem. And my brothers buck with a trypan, completely shattered the offside shoulder bone, blades didnt even break. Both arrows under 500 grains.

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[neonomad]

I hunted for all my life with mechanicals and every deer took off like they just got hit by a bolt of lightning and didn't stop running hard till they expired. This years doe with a black hornet ser-razor ran 20 yds stopped then walked away till she dropped.

This is real interesting. Spitfires have taken the most deer for me but yeah you gotta feel thing snap when it hits you. If a tornado threw a razor blade through me I bet would take a few seconds to realize what just happened. Verrryyyyyy interestiiiinnnng.

 

[Gamover06]

My buck with a sevr 2.1 through both scapulas no problem. And my brothers buck with a trypan, completely shattered the offside shoulder bone, blades didnt even break. Both arrows under 500 grains.

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Nice deer.

Mechanicals will blow through shoulders but they have a higher fail rate then a fixed and there isn't a person in the world that could prove otherwise. The blades are usually thinner, longer, and only have small connecting point. Mechanicals leave great blood trails and kill deer quickly but you are more likely to have that broadhead fail then it is to blow through both shoulder and or one of the shoulders.

I shoot a 550 grain arrow and in the past shot a 580. My new set up just preferred 550. I keep a mechanical and fixed in my quiver just because i like to have options. To be honest they grouped out to 50 with my field points so I threw both in the quiver. During the rut I will be nocking a fixed head only though. Sometimes you have to let the mind do what it wants and my confidence is a lot higher with a fixed when I know the only thing I will be drawing on is a buck inside 30 yards.

 

[BuffaloBill]

I feel like I spent way too much time thinking about arrows and broadhead this off-season. Have 340 spine Axis, 100 grain brass inserts, 100 grain Black Hornet Ser Razors. Supposedly Magnus is coming out with 150 grain Black Hornets next year. COVID-19 ruined it this year.

 

[Flgunner]

I now shoot an Easton 5mm axis 340 with 100 grain muzzy trocar. Weighs in at about 425. Prior to this year I’ve been shooting an Easton Hexx 340 with 100 grain Swhacker roughly 390 grains total. Never had an issue even when hitting shoulder. I believe accuracy and sharpness is the key. Bad shot is a bad shot no matter what arrow. Heavy will penetrate better if tuned and sharp, but it comes with the cost of trajectory and speed. No problem until things move or you miss judge. It’s all give and take. I personally like middle of the road. Just shoot a sharp head and put it in the lungs and they will die. Anyone else ready for November

 

[ThumbsMcGee]

Gosh I missed archerytalk.

For a minute I thought I was on AT. Lol


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[kbetts]

There is no “always” or “never” in archery. Do it long enough and you will see.

I'll never go back to aluminum arrows. I lost two using Easton 2216 gamegetter arrows with no pass through with cut on contact head (magnus). I think the thinner carbon arrows are much superior with penetration. With my current setup, I'm getting pass throughs and arrow tip buried 6 inches into the ground. My last deer went 20 yards and was shot at 35 yards.

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So it was the arrows fault?

 

[Homebrew454]

There is no “always” or “never” in archery. Do it long enough and you will see.



So it was the arrows fault?

Never said that. Bad shots. Thicker arrows don't penetrate as well as thinner. It is part of Ashby's study. That was the point

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[raisins]

My buck with a sevr 2.1 through both scapulas no problem. And my brothers buck with a trypan, completely shattered the offside shoulder bone, blades didnt even break. Both arrows under 500 grains.

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80% of the shoulder blade could be penetrated by someone stabbing it with a knife (it's pretty thin). The only parts that a well tuned 70 pound bow (or 60 lbs with a long draw length, like my setup) shooting Grim Reaper mechanicals won't reliably get through is the socket and ridge (especially the ridge nearer the socket). That's why I don't think it is helpful to just say "shoulder".

Lusk just had a test shooting an elk shoulder blade with Sevr mechanicals (if I recall) to test their durability. He splintered that thing so many times it was ridiculous.

Edit: My best worst shot ever was with a 2" grim reaper (I now shoot 1 3/8"). The deer was very nervous and reacted to the shot (I should not have shot). It was 25 yards away and had plenty of time to move. It tried to turn its body, and the grim reaper hit it between the eyes. I got around 9" of penetration through the skull and was able to recover the broadhead. Two of the blades were still fine and one appeared to have broken off while I was retrieving it since it made a slice all the way back with the other 2 blades.

 

[kbetts]

Never said that. Bad shots. Thicker arrows don't penetrate as well as thinner. It is part of Ashby's study. That was the point

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You said you’d never go back to aluminum arrows......

And thick vs thin is relative to the substance being shot. Hard material vs fluid. I’ve read it too.

 

[Homebrew454]

You said you’d never go back to aluminum arrows......

And thick vs thin is relative to the substance being shot. Hard material vs fluid. I’ve read it too.

I used to shoot a lot of 3d archery and the biggest reason I'll never go back to aluminum is due it bends way too easy. Carbon (which is thinner material) is way more durable. A close second is it doesn't penetrate as well.

If it works for you good, but I think it is inferior to carbon.

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[PEEJAY]

My buck with a sevr 2.1 through both scapulas no problem. And my brothers buck with a trypan, completely shattered the offside shoulder bone, blades didnt even break. Both arrows under 500 grains.

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Getting penetration through a scapula isnt really that impressive. That deer is though good god man! Thinnest piece of bone surrounding vitals besides a rib really...

 

[PEEJAY]

I'm not an archery junky, I cant even tell you what my arrow weigh off the top of my head. I know this, that in my lifetime, I have wounded 3 deer, all because I made poor shots. When I tell these stories, I often get a reply of "well you were shooting heavy arrows that deer would have been recovered....." I dont see it that way, a poor shot is a poor shot, no matter what. Sometimes I get the thought that some of the thinking behind the heavy arrow gig is to compensate for poor shots taken, but they happen. Now I'm saying that one is better than the other, but there is no one arrow weight to 100% guarantee that deer will die. Fact is broadheads kill deer, some are more durable than others, but they'll all kill deer. I feel more emphasis should be on shot placement, or low vs high percentage shots and so on, instead of being on how to compensate so shot percentage is hypothetically smaller, that's not a good recipe IMHO....

Not sure who you were watching but ranch fairy isnt sellin that recipe. He has soooo many videos on shot placement on deer and the importance. He literally says everything you just said. Even the "broadheads kill deer" line. All of his videos are to help you kill deer efficiently and EMPHASIZES shot placement all the time. Watch some ashby lectures on you tube. They are both preaching the same thing. Ashby isnt as obnoxious. He's a Dr. (and thorough). Its not just a heavy arrow. Its efoc and uefoc arrows that really make the difference. You need that weight for a practical draw length to get the efoc/uefoc needed for increased penetration (not as big of a deal for whitetails, i get that) and the weight itself is more for breaking bones. Deer can move enough on a 25-30yd shot with a fast bow shooting a fast light arrow to F up a PERFECT shot. Thats a fact. You can watch plenty of slow motion videos on hunting videos that show this. One of the things i like watching the most on RF's channel.

Im obnoxious so i dont mind RF. N i love sniffing dust...ANY KIND WILL DO!

 

[Deerhunter81]

If you don’t like the Ranch Fairy, just skip to the end of this video maybe the last 2-3 minutes. This is what he is trying to get across to hunters. This is a “plan B” out of your control situation.

This is a middleweight arrow for him I might add! Maybe worth a look! I wish everyone a wonderful and successful hunting season! Good luck to all!

 

[kbetts]

90% of us can buy a cheap 29” Carbon Express arrow from Wallyworld and stick a 175 on the front and never know the difference. Trad guys can heat up the insert and replace with brass. Foot it with a 1/4” piece of 2117 and roll.

 

[loujo61]

Comparing pigs to deer is like comparing apples to oranges. I bought two pork shoulders to grind with my deer this year, the bones in the pig shoulder were twice as large and more dense than the deer shoulder and the pig skin was too. No way would I shoot a 400 grain arrow @285fps with a 1 1/2"OTT expandable at a pig, for deer it's more than enough. I lobbed logs at deer back in the eighties... never again.

 

[Miboy86]

Been shooting a Easton hexx arrow cut to 27 and a quarter carbon to carbon with the regular insert, nocturnal knock and 100 grain fixed broadhead. This year is the slick trick magnum broadhead. Never had a problem with a complete pass thru arrow in the dirt on the whitetail in Michigan so in my eyes if it ain't broke I'm not fixing it. Broke the spine of a spike last night with this set up when I misranged him.

 

[parkersdad]

I shot a doe yesterday with a 1 3/8 Grim Reaper and it went completely through her and stuck in the ground. Only think I did when I went mechanical was add 20 grains to the front. My total arrow weight is 417 and my foc is 11.2


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[Nutterbuster]

I busted my second quartering-to deer with a 350 grain total weight arrow yesterday. Flappers done the dirty deed on that dumb deer.