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I like the concept @d_rek mentioned, I think the hard part is the man hours that go into manually censoring and deleting posts. There have to be some automatic controls in place to keep some of the issue from happening, otherwise there would need ot be dozens of full time moderators on here 24/7. I"m sure there can be a happy medium.
Accepting a paycheck and/or gear from a vendor wouldn't make up for the time? Just as long as it's disclosed? I'm sure there would be a few that would oblige. And I'm sure there are automatic controls.
 
Accepting a paycheck and/or gear from a vendor wouldn't make up for the time? Just as long as it's disclosed? I'm sure there would be a few that would oblige. And I'm sure there are automatic controls.
Automatic controls are what they have been trying to put in place.

That sounds like a mess to me. the vendors dont own or run the site-- how would you control that? Vendor money and gear going to people whom are supposed to be unbiased and even keeled. The vendors become lobbyist at that point, and the moderators politicians....
 
I agree someting like that would be great, but am not sure this is the place- isnt that the point of their FB Page, website, online chat and a phone number, not an independent forum? From what I understand the idea of this site wasn't to be a marketing and sale channel.
Sure but I just figured a one stop shop might be beneficial. Seems to have worked out in other ways.
 
I like the idea of brand specific forums, non moderated. Let your members know up front, it’s a jungle in there. Use at your own risk. Charge vendors thousands of dollars to have a forum. Advertise answer questions do whatever in that forum to their hearts content.

outside of that, if it’s a customer service related post, a post attacking someone, blatant marketing, the standard rules in place now - delete the post and impose some harsher penalties for breakingthese rules.

If the user is in any sort of written contract with a brand/vendor, their picture must be that brands logo, and disclosed in their signature.

pays for the site. Puts the riffraff in a specific place. Takes a little load off mods.

carrots and sticks need to be used. It’s the internet - it short circuits the human brain. There has to be a payoff for good behavior and a consequence for bad.
 
Automatic controls are what they have been trying to put in place.

That sounds like a mess to me. the vendors dont own or run the site-- how would you control that? Vendor money and gear going to people whom are supposed to be unbiased and even keeled. The vendors become lobbyist at that point, and the moderators
Automatic controls are what they have been trying to put in place.

That sounds like a mess to me. the vendors dont own or run the site-- how would you control that? Vendor money and gear going to people whom are supposed to be unbiased and even keeled. The vendors become lobbyist at that point, and the moderators politicians....
Understood. Just trying to figure out a way for you guys to get paid for your time.
 
We are required to add it to our signatures, but on tapatalk you do not see them so it did not provide the same effect we had hoped for. But this was step 1 of this evolving process.
I'm able to see ikemantx disclaimer on Tapatalk... Maybe make them add prostaff info their too? It maybe that is again something with Tapatalk... Sigh

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Allowing for unbiased vendor reviews by users is probably smart, but I wouldn't restrict vendors or prostaffers from posting elsewhere. That seems a little too censored. Just moderate as needed in other subforums. A "brand specific" subforum where vendors can interact with users and post promotions and whatnot wouldn't be terrible either.

Also just another idea: Maybe require and/or supply vendors and prostaff with a badge so that users can see them and there is a little more transparency. Not sure this would carry over to tapatalk but at least on the website it would have visibility.

So, for example: DaveT could post in the 'Brand Specific' subforum and general forums to his hearts content and discuss the phantom, nucanoe, and crocs to his hearts desire, but since he's 'prostaff' he would not have permission to post in the 'vendor reviews and information' subforum. If he, for some reason, starts spamming 3.7% off discount codes in the general forums, those posts could be moderated by the mods, vice versa for slamming other vendors, their products, users, etc.

Also, have you guys thought about a general 'code of conduct' for vendors/prostaff, heck even users at large? Might be good to set the rules up front, or in a sticky post somewhere.

There have been vendor rules in effect for almost a year. Many of the vendors have ignored them and lots of moderation was required. Moderation led to criticism about things being unfair. Moderators are only human, we make mistakes and don't catch everything and if we do we try to make them right. In order to try to keep things fair, I've placed the vendor restrictions on every known vendor associated account and asked that if we've missed one to notify a moderator. I put this in place prior to ATA because ATA is probably the single greatest time of competition between vendors. Many of you don't know the things I've seen on here. I've watched vendors attack our members and I've watched vendors go at it with each other. This is not the place and honestly I don't want to deal with it, I have better things to do. Remember, I supposably run this place for fun. I'll tell you, it ain't fun anymore.

I am not perfect. I'm trying to run and keep this site within my goals of why I created the site. My goals are very different than any of the vendors goals. If things aren't working or need to be changed, I'll review them, but I'm going to run this site in MY vision.
 
Also, have members of the site sign hold harmless waivers. This should be done anyway, like yesterday.
 
I sometimes miss the days when the internet was my oyster lol... Oh to be a teenager again with a linux box, terminal and IRC open 24/7, and a criminal amount of freetime to get upto mischief...
I'd rather go back to the days of the 486 dx 66 and windows 95...Oh the Duke Nuk'em that was played.

""Its time to kick A$$ and chew bubble gum, but I"m all out of Bubble gum"
 
I havent really looked into it much... but I frequent thehulltruth.com boating forum and vendors often reply to questions on the forums and I havent noticed vendors spamming or trash talking other vendors. Now there is a lot of brand trash talk amoungst other users though. All in all its a great forum with helpful people and great info similar to this forum. Might be worth a look to help resolve the issues here without upsetting/loosing great members.
 
Hammock forums has a vendor area. I have not ventured into it much and I'm not sure if it is something that would be worth the headache for redsquirrel.

I would hate to see this site closed down due to bickering. Everytime it is closed for updates I hope the site comes back up and it isn't permanent.

I just don't want to see a repeat of the secret thread and the loss of contributors that happened. I have learned a ton since I stumbled onto the site in 2018.

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I think it’s official. Saddle hunting has ruined saddle hunting. I long for the days I was an outcast and no body knew what the heck a saddle was. It’s a fine line cause all the guys who actually know what they are doing are going to be affiliated with some company.
 
Hammock forums has a vendor area. I have not ventured into it much and I'm not sure if it is something that would be worth the headache for redsquirrel.

I would hate to see this site closed down due to bickering. Everytime it is closed for updates I hope the site comes back up and it isn't permanent.

I just don't want to see a repeat of the secret thread and the loss of contributors that happened. I have learned a ton since I stumbled onto the site in 2018.

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Wouldn't it be possible to let the vendors handle/moderate the "vendor" area? They would basically self regulate each other as long as there was an equal representation.
 
I think it’s official. Saddle hunting has ruined saddle hunting. I long for the days I was an outcast and no body knew what the heck a saddle was. It’s a fine line cause all the guys who actually know what they are doing are going to be affiliated with some company.
Or they'll be stuck in a rut with that company and it'll lead everyone else to innovation. There's a couple saddle companies that come to mind...
 
It does seem a little too censored when it gets to the poin where a vendor/ pro staff can’t even answer a direct question. If you allowed it there would be people who would take that one question and answer it in a two paragraph promotion of the product. So to allow it would require tight moderation. @redsquirrel treats his moderators pretty good and in an ideal world all he wants them to do is enjoy the site and close classifieds.
And make sure @Blinginpse Isn't exposing himself
 
First, thanks for providing input.

And yes code of conduct stuff is being looked at. And models similar to what you describe.

Are you aware of any forums running a model similar to what you describe?

AR15.com From my point of view it's the Gold Standard other forums should be held to. @skell
 
@redsquirrel set this site up or his own personal enjoyment related to saddle hunting. To kick around ideas and literally to have fun and hopefully grow saddle hunting. I have an understanding of why rules and moderators are now in place. Things were getting out of hand.

I am not taking sides, but I would suggest to allow Red and the moderators to work through this.

This should be fun, especially when this forum started as a hobby.
 
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Rules are Rules if we didn't have rules all we would have is cause.

In this day and age if people cant read past someone only writing glowing reviews about a certain product then you need to get out into the world more.

I think that the signature needs to list an affiliation or maybe badges next to the name. I get that Taptalk cuts some of that out but oh well you cant regulate everything. Set rules up that if you start marketing outside of certain areas you get suspended for so long and depending on how many strikes you have depends on how long your suspended and eventually you just get booted. If your a known affiliate and don't add a signature line you get warned after that suspended rules apply.

Hold the companies accountable for their affiliates. Lock their vender accounts if their affiliates get to many violations. If venders want their own section make them pay for it and within that section and only that section venders customer service and marketing can be done but only within their paid vender section.

There are ways. We are all smart enough to figure this out.
 
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