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For those that climb with a tether, have you ever considered a rope choke on your linesman’s belt?
How? Sladder weighs 1 lb 13 oz. 30 ft of Oplux is 0.84 lb. You can use the rappel rope as the tether. It's definitely less than 3 one sticks + moveable aider + tether. Sticks and moveable aiders still have the issue of being able to be kicked out and then you have the issue of coming down on a moveable aider in the dark.That is what killed the system for me. Once you add the weight of rappelling gear it is heavier than my 3 tethrd one sticks with a CAYG aider.
No argument here and I think discussions here are how we can make things better. The weight is close, the price when factoring rappel gear is close if not greater than sticks, climbing down in the dark on sticks vs. climbing up in the dark on the sladder and how does the sladder system pack up compared to sticks?How? Sladder weighs 1 lb 13 oz. 30 ft of Oplux is 0.84 lb. You can use the rappel rope as the tether. It's definitely less than 3 one sticks + moveable aider + tether. Sticks and moveable aiders still have the issue of being able to be kicked out and then you have the issue of coming down on a moveable aider in the dark.
You are correct. It isn’t heavier but close enough that I wouldn’t swap systems.How? Sladder weighs 1 lb 13 oz. 30 ft of Oplux is 0.84 lb. You can use the rappel rope as the tether. It's definitely less than 3 one sticks + moveable aider + tether. Sticks and moveable aiders still have the issue of being able to be kicked out and then you have the issue of coming down on a moveable aider in the dark.
Except bolts or spurs. Both of these impose much of the tradeoffs onto the tree. The impact of that is debatable. But they’re really the only ones that swing things beyond the margins.
I don’t want to buy one outright because I don’t see it replacing my 2tc system but I like the novelty of it and would like to give it a shot.“I definitely think all climbing methods are closer together than farther apart in “effort, skill, money, time, fiddle factor, packability, annoyance” when taken in totality. But if I were picking one for being slightly outside the margin, it’s bolts and an aider.”
My take on on the topic.
So far everything we have come up with basically washes out once you add it all up. There just isn’t enough of a difference in any of them to have a significant impact on hunt success or enjoyment.
Except bolts or spurs. Both of these impose much of the tradeoffs onto the tree. The impact of that is debatable. But they’re really the only ones that swing things beyond the margins.
I am open to changing my mind on these 1lb sticks, but 1.3lb sticks didn’t change my mind.
This sladder currently doesn’t. But I’d like to see some videos of fellers who’ve never used it before climbing.
Unfortunately, bolts and spurs are not allowed on most public lands? I know the rules and regulations are not very clear on this. But I don't want to mess with it for the sake of just using bolts and spurs when there's plenty of other ways to climb.
What needle regarding climbing trees do bolts or spurs move? I.e. cost, time, safety, mobility, weight, bulk/packability? How much are they moving the needle even if they were legal? Give me your cost, weight, time(20ft avg), safety and bulk values for bolts and spurs so I can compare to my own system.
imagine it’s something like this, but im guessing, we can discuss values based on assumptions
Assumptions:
- bolts and spurs safety based on climbing with lineman’s belt so risk is higher. mprovements to safety could be made with tree squeeze.
- Weight and cost for spurs vary based on (aluminum vs steel)
- 2tc scored higher in safety for always being affixed to the tree with a tether even when passing limbs.
- Time for climbing spurs includes unpacking and packing
- Mobility considered 5/5 for all methods
- Damage to tree or legality not factored in
Wt Packability cost Time safety Bolts 4lbs 5/5 $ 15 2/5 spurs 3-8lbs 3/5 $-$$ 8 1/5 2TC 2lbs 5/5 $ 15 4/5
I deleted that post since I was typing it on my phone when it disapeared... 10 minutes later and it appeared posted... I ended up spiralling down a rabbit hole and creating a slightly longer post about it from the desktop. Would love to get your thoughts on it here:I’ll think and answer in detail in a minute. But food for thought - I know it’s anecdotal, but how many people have we heard of here on forum or Faceworld in the last 3 years that died or were severely injured climbing with a lineman’s belt? How many have we heard of that died tethered in?
Yeah I was thinking using a tether just trying to wrap my head around getting it up above the sladder once placed.
It’s amazing to me how much everyone is concerned about weight. I doubt most of us are walking in more than 5miles and everybody worried about ounces lol I just always found it odd. As much as I see some of y’all complain about OZs I’d hate to see what y’all do when y’all have to drag a deer lol dang, I thought I was in the trash talk section…
I'm not 100% sure but based on how it works you can't descend on the Sladder. Have to rappel.Is the Sladder method strictly for a rappel back to ground, or is it reasonable to use the Sladder for ascending and depending?
Thanks.I'm not 100% sure but based on how it works you can't descend on the Sladder. Have to rappel.