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Carbon fiber sticks

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Turkish621

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Does anyone know of anyone making carbon sticks? I feel like you could make a stick around 8 ounces of so with a 2 foot stick, curious if someone is working on a prototype.
 
Turkish621 said:
Does anyone know of anyone making carbon sticks? I feel like you could make a stick around 8 ounces of so with a 2 foot stick, curious if someone is working on a prototype.
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It has been tried. If they fail they will do so catastrophically. I may be wrong but I doubt you can make one that is safe


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Ontariofarmer said:
It has been tried. If they fail they will do so catastrophically. I may be wrong but I doubt you can make one that is safe


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You can overbuild enough...but is the end result interesting at that point? And lightweight AL thinwall tubing has catastrophe potential too. There are too many components that get loaded every which way to make it an easy task for carbon.

For me the issue with sticks is always size anyway. Plus there's a limit on gains from lightweight materials. A doublestep is 3.5 oz. A lightweight standoff is 3.1 oz. 2 ft of 1/16 wall tubing is whatn 8 oz? The sleeves and adhesives needed to make safe connections add cost complexity and weight.

I think there's a thread inhere somewhere.
 
It can certainly be done. If they can build mountain bikes and airplane parts and bow risers they can build a climbing stick. I think the cost is what a company has trouble with weighing out the cost of research and development vs what kind of sales are projected. Would you pay $450 for a set of sticks? I think it’s worth it but it’s just too much for many.
 
Aluminium will often give some warning. Bending or deformation around holes if you look. Carbon fibre will snap or shatter like a hockey stick in the hands of a Canadian


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Ask @denots @Swampfox @Arrowsquirrel

Attempt at carbon sticks

I know this probably is just a crazy idea but I'm just having fun. I ordered some square carbon rods when I ordered my carbon steps and worked up this stick with some double steps I have. I'm not sure what the total weight is. I think the carbon rods combined are around 5 oz. I added some weight...
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Lightest double step sticks to date 1.2lbs

I been sitting on this idea for sometime and finally pulled the trigger to see it through. Parts: Aluminum Double steps from DanO Lone wolf tree brackets Versa button (counter sunk the bolt) 1/4” Amsteel rope 1”x1”Carbon Fiber stick 1/4”-20 1.75”L stainless cap bolts Specs: 21.5” from step...
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Obviously it can be done but by the time you strengthen it the weight goes up. Also when it does fail - it fails without warning. Just like a carbon bolt snapping or a $200 hockey stick shattering

I did try building one a while back. I was never comfortable with it


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I can agree. I had a plan to build some that I think would have been strong enough but I realized I was only going to be saving a couple ounces and have a really expensive stick.
 
Ontariofarmer said:
Obviously it can be done but by the time you strengthen it the weight goes up. Also when it does fail - it fails without warning. Just like a carbon bolt snapping or a $200 hockey stick shattering

I did try building one a while back. I was never comfortable with it


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Also worth noting - if a carbon stick fails there's almost certainly a higher danger than if a bolt fails. You're further from the tree. Your lmb is looser for this reason. You're likely to be putting more/all of your weight on that 1 stick. It's a further fall to the next one, and it's pointed right at your crotch.

If we reduce our safety factors below "bombproof" it's a really good idea to think about how things will go if/when something fails.
 
Sure it can be done but don’t think it could be done in a cost effective manner.The market would be too small from a business standpoint.But man would they be cool
 
I agree, it's just a matter of how many hunters would spend the money for carbon sticks. Aluminum construction is substantially less expensive but if somebody feels there's enough of a market carbon sticks somebody will start making them. If not, then it'll just continue to be a DIY project.
 

DIY sub-1lb climbing stick adventure!

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I made a sub 1lb hybrid carbon stick. I may go back and complete a set of them someday. A total carbon stick would be cool. Above my pay grade though...
 
When you put a hole in a carbon fibre tube it weakens the whole tube. Its strength comes from the over lapping fibres if you break the web of fibres the strength decreases significantly


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I played a bit, talked to domestic and foreign material sources. Cost and engineering ( need an engeneering firm) to get it up and going was laughably high and I don’t think I was even ballpark to anything we would actually want to try and use.

You need a bankroll. Also a solid working knowledge of US customs laws, tariffs , foreign storage brokers and shipping brokers.

If someone can get it done I will order a set of 4 for sure!
 
Sorry older thread but over this holiday break I’m researching to make my own setup with carbon fiber sticks. So far I’ve used the Muddy Stagger Steps as a template and could make 5 that will get me 20’ and entire setup would be barely over 3#. Estimated cost is almost $1,500 though, excluding labor! I’ve worked with CF in aerospace industry. The hockey stick reference is due to abuse. These sticks truly should last a lifetime, just like my bow at that price. I feel like if I can get a design similar to standard sticks, I can get the build cost under $1,000 but hardly marketable.
My wonder is, does anyone think there are other guys out there that would invest that kind of scratch for sticks?
 
Bassin4life02 said:
Sorry older thread but over this holiday break I’m researching to make my own setup with carbon fiber sticks. So far I’ve used the Muddy Stagger Steps as a template and could make 5 that will get me 20’ and entire setup would be barely over 3#. Estimated cost is almost $1,500 though, excluding labor! I’ve worked with CF in aerospace industry. The hockey stick reference is due to abuse. These sticks truly should last a lifetime, just like my bow at that price. I feel like if I can get a design similar to standard sticks, I can get the build cost under $1,000 but hardly marketable.
My wonder is, does anyone think there are other guys out there that would invest that kind of scratch for sticks?
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Don't know the answer to your very good question, but I appreciate you putting your thoughts/values down in concrete terms. There is certainly a market for lightweight climbing gear.
 
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’ve worked with CF in aerospace industry. The hockey stick reference is due to abuse. These sticks truly should last a lifetime, just like my bow at that price
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How do you define abuse? Aerospace applications have a big advantage of being able to define loading very precisely. When carbon fiber composites exceed their design load ("abuse")...they fail catastrophically and odten without warning. The anisotropy of composite material properties makes it really easy to abuse things inadvertently.
 
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How do you define abuse? Aerospace applications have a big advantage of being able to define loading very precisely. When carbon fiber composites exceed their design load ("abuse")...they fail catastrophically and odten without warning. The anisotropy of composite material properties makes it really easy to abuse things inadvertently.
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Oh I definitely meant the abuse as inadvertent. Hockey sticks get smacked around and a chip or nick makes that catastrophic failure much more likely.
Our use of these sticks should have a consistent load at same points over and over again. If we fall on our back like a turtle while hiking in or out, we could easily do the same to our sticks inadvertently. But just like anything when that happens, checking all gear is the smart thing to do.
I’m still trying to design a standard stick but so far the above idea is best I got. Hopefully I can collaborate something before holidays end and then I look forward to building something in the spring!
 
Timber Ninja Outdoors is about to release some carbon fiber sticks I believe. Still in the testing phase.


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