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Permethrin & Activated Carbon

John Eberhart said:
Just found this thread

I actually had to call Scent Lok and ask the question for quadro because I'd never heard of the permethrin and yes, have never had issues with chiggers and ticks up here. Ticks out west, yes but not here yet for me anyway. I have had fellow hunters say they have had ticks here in Michigan, but I haven't.

The pro staff and tech guy at Scent Lok said they have been asked about permethrin quite a bit and said it degrades the glue which is used to bond the 2 fabrics that sandwich the activated carbon liner. As the glue degrades the carbon doesn't stay in its place and then there becomes areas with no carbon coverage and also some carbon will escape.

Sorry, that's all I got and obviously the Thermocell is worthless on ticks and chiggers.
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John Eberhart said:
Just found this thread

I actually had to call Scent Lok and ask the question for quadro because I'd never heard of the permethrin and yes, have never had issues with chiggers and ticks up here. Ticks out west, yes but not here yet for me anyway. I have had fellow hunters say they have had ticks here in Michigan, but I haven't.

The pro staff and tech guy at Scent Lok said they have been asked about permethrin quite a bit and said it degrades the glue which is used to bond the 2 fabrics that sandwich the activated carbon liner. As the glue degrades the carbon doesn't stay in its place and then there becomes areas with no carbon coverage and also some carbon will escape.

Sorry, that's all I got and obviously the Thermocell is worthless on ticks and chiggers.
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This is a real problem! I'm not going in the woods without something to protect me from tics or chiggers. This makes me wonder how long this glue is going to last when they recommend putting them in the dryer all the time. Repeated heating and cooling usually degrades glue also. Exactly how long are Scent Lok clothing supposed to last? Am I going to just end up with really expensive camo clothing over the next year or so?


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Another option if you have Cedar trees where you hunt is using a product called Cedarcide. It is basically cedar oil and has worked pretty well for me for ticks and mosquitoes. Obviously if you don't have any cedar trees in the area, the deer might be suspicious.


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gustafsj said:
Another option if you have Cedar trees where you hunt is using a product called Cedarcide. It is basically cedar oil and has worked pretty well for me for ticks and mosquitoes. Obviously if you don't have any cedar trees in the area, the deer might be suspicious.


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I have a feeling that cedar oil might be a problem for the glue also. Cedar oil, pine oil and the such or basically turpentine, a solvent.


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That's a good point. That did cross my mind as well.

I've only been using it on what little exposed skin I have and my boots (after applying scent killer spray).

I guess I have used it on a thin scent blocker balaclava that I found on clearance as the mosquitos will bite right through that.


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We really need to get this cleared up through Scent Lok. I have over $500 worth or clothing on it's way to me and this tread is beginning to make this clothing sound worthless.


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g2outdoors said:
Permethrin is a foreign smell to deer. Mature bucks and foreign smells don't generally mix. But maybe if the scentlok is catching your human smell, they won't be deterred by the permethrin.

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agreed. thermacell and permithrin odor are going to put them on alert.

I'd hunt high and use both.

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I have sent in the question to ScentLok to see what they say about Cedarcide.


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John Eberhart said:
Permithrin is a chemical that attacks the glue, a dryer is just air.
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If a dryer was only air I wouldn't have a concern but a dryer is hot air. Hot air breaks down chemicals. Glue is a chemical.


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Cajunshooter said:
If a dryer was only air I wouldn't have a concern but a dryer is hot air. Hot air breaks down chemicals. Glue is a chemical.


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Permithrin is stable to over 400 F. It isn't going anywhere in a dryer unless it shows up in the lint trap.

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Cajunshooter said:
This makes me wonder how long this glue is going to last when they recommend putting them in the dryer all the time.
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I think its safe to assume that a manufacturers recomended care procedures are based on their products design. It's a pretty big leap in logic to assume that because a specific chemical breaks down the type of glue used that hot air will also.

I don't have to deal with ticks/chiggers where I live but couldn't you just spray your base layers with permethrin and not spray your outer layers?
 
GCTerpfan said:
I think its safe to assume that a manufacturers recomended care procedures are based on their products design. It's a pretty big leap in logic to assume that because a specific chemical breaks down the type of glue used that hot air will also.

I don't have to deal with ticks/chiggers where I live but couldn't you just spray your base layers with permethrin and not spray your outer layers?
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Agree with putting it on the base layer. I'm sure if the company says it's bad , it's to expensive to risk using it .

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I spray my boots from the ankle up. I really don't think I would get enough permethrin on my clothes to soak through to the carbon. When I use it it's a misting not a soaking. That said I don't use it much and haven't suffered any major attacks. When I hog hunted with dogs and was constantly hauling hogs behind me on my atv I used the sawyer brand like it was body spray. I had quit using it altogether but I keep hearing of people being bitten by ticks and developing a red meat allergy.
 
GCTerpfan said:
I think its safe to assume that a manufacturers recomended care procedures are based on their products design. It's a pretty big leap in logic to assume that because a specific chemical breaks down the type of glue used that hot air will also.

I don't have to deal with ticks/chiggers where I live but couldn't you just spray your base layers with permethrin and not spray your outer layers?
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It might be a big leap and then it may not be such a big leap. I would have had no clue that glue was holding together the properties of this clothing. When permitherine is sprayed on the outer layer of clothing it then dries within a couple of hours. If that's all it take to dissolve the glue then I'm pretty surprised.

I'm not going to be wearing a base layer under my Scent Lok in 80 to 90 degree weather. That's not an option. I'd be willing to bet nearly the entire south has figured out that using permitherine is much better than contracting lime disease or being eaten alive by chiggers. This really needs to get resolved or Scent Lok needs to use a disclaimer that their products should probably only be used in the northern states.


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Response from Scentlok regarding the Cedarcide "We wouldn't recommend spraying it directly on the suit. It shouldn't ruin it, but it would reduce it's ability to cover your scent."


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you couldn't see or smell the "carbon coverage" before....you cant see it after spraying some permethrin. for all anybody knows it may still be there..or never been there to begin with.
How ya going to argue?
I'm going to spray my savannahs in some sawyers for the first time this year (tick stories are starting to worry me).....but then I dust them in new carbon. I can see it ;)
 
right now I am using Scentblocker products, so I am going to spray the crap out them with permethrin. I hate ticks and I got ate up last year with chiggers and I am not doing that again, it left scars on my legs. But, honestly, in Oklahoma during early season, if you dont use some sort of bug spray, you will end up with seed ticks all over your body.
 
ImThere said:
I hear you. And I understand But when it come to chiggers. I am the man. Thermacell DOES NOT WORK FOR CHIGGERS!!!!!!!!


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After the hunt I use a small splash of bleach in the shower and I don’t seem to ever have any chiggers. That always seems to take care of them.


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What about spraying it on camo long sleeve t-shirt and thin pants, pull that on over your scentlok? Shouldn't be much if any warmer and if it doesn't work your not out much more than cheap Walmart camo.
 
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