2tc vs one sticking

[Cbigbear]

I agree with the consensus, 2tc maybe just too simple to market. Or maybe the right influencer hasn’t picked it up - guess it needs a Staggs in the wild!!!

Now for one sticking its roots were also simple & cheap. 32” original LW stick, cam buckle strap, rch, and safety harness relief strap single step aider. It can still be highly effective in this simple form, but for some reason the influencers and masses have turn it into a complex, high dollar climbing method. I’m often amazed that someone would pay $400 for a stick with a platform often too small to hunt from and then another $200 for a “rappelling kit”. After that they often need a backpack & roll pouches to transport their super “minimal” setup.

 

[TNSTAAFL]

“1-sticking hits the sweet-spot of combining mobility, comfort at height, and ease of use for eastern whitetail woods hunting, even if safety concerns are valid. I think that's why it has taken off among saddle hunters.”

How is a one stick more mobile than a rope and platform that folds flat?
How is a one stick more comfortable at height than a bigger platform?
If, “I don't think 2TC seems hard at all”, how is a one stick easier to use than two tethers?

And…the safety concerns are valid.

There goes my hole-free arguments and good feelings.

I wasn't trying to say 'more", "more", or "easier". I don't think 1-sticking is any of those things compared to 2TC. My mistake if I implied that.

By sweet spot, I meant good on average. As in, balancing all factors. As in, good, if not best, in all categories.

Regardless, you don't have to agree. I have no interest in persuading anyone. It's just my thoughts about why it's so popular. I could be completely wrong.

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[Plebe]

There goes my hole-free arguments and good feelings.

I wasn't trying to say 'more", "more", or "easier". I don't think 1-sticking is any of those things compared to 2TC. My mistake if I implied that.

By sweet spot, I meant good on average. As in, balancing all factors. As in, good, if not best, in all categories.

Regardless, you don't have to agree. I have no interest in persuading anyone. It's just my thoughts about why it's so popular. I could be completely wrong.

Cheers


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Just pulling the thread. Everyone should find their own way.

But, I don’t think popularity of one over the other is actually based on user comparison. Lots of 1-stickers never tried 2TC I bet. It just doesn’t have the exposure.

 

[TNSTAAFL]

Just pulling the thread. Everyone should find their own way.

But, I don’t think popularity of one or the other is actually based on user comparison. Lots of 1-stickers never tried 2TC I bet. It just doesn’t have the exposure.

Ya, I'm one of them. No direct comparison. Plenty of mental comparison though. I suspect I'm not the only one, but concede it's probably not true for a majority of 1-stickers.

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[Jammintree]

I wonder if there’s any demographic correlations with preference for 2tc vs one stick. Body type, age, terrain, etc…

 

[Samcirrus]

I respectfully disagree with the 2 points you made about mobilization and compactness. If the ultimate goal is mobilization, then we shouldn't be in the tree at all. Sit your butt on the ground and see where the hunts takes you. In regards to compactness, I think a bolts and drill kit is more packable and streamline.

Drill & Bolt Combo Packs

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Buuuut....you still need a tether and a linesmans belt(or a 2nd tether)!

 

[CharlieTN]

How about we clarify the statement - 2TC is one of, if not the most compact system for mobile elevated hunting that is legal almost everywhere and causes no permanent damage to the tree.

Can we all agree on that?

 

[HuumanCreed]

No. I will not agree.

 

[CharlieTN]

No. I will not agree.

There’s always that one. LOL

 

[dalton916]

Ya, I'm one of them. No direct comparison. Plenty of mental comparison though. I suspect I'm not the only one, but concede it's probably not true for a majority of 1-stickers.

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I’ll give you a comparison to think about…..

What is your least favorite part of one sticking? If it’s the time spent on an aider, as is the case with the vast majority of people I’ve talked to about or shown how to one stick, the comparison is simple; are you willing to trade one sticking where some of your time is spent on a rope/webbing step that is free to change position if you are not careful for two tether climbing where all of your time is spent on a rope/webbing step that is free to change position if you are not careful?

 

[thedutchtouch]

I have personally found 2tc to be much more difficult to learn/adjust to than one sticking was. Also most people still like a platform, which a one stick has, though I know there's some ring of steps folks that disagree. Likely 2tc has similar popularity levels compared to one sticking as ROS does to platforms would be my guess. That said there are benefits so I'm keeping it in the arsenal.

 

[Antirain]

I’ll give you a comparison to think about…..

What is your least favorite part of one sticking? If it’s the time spent on an aider, as is the case with the vast majority of people I’ve talked to about or shown how to one stick, the comparison is simple; are you willing to trade one sticking where some of your time is spent on a rope/webbing step that is free to change position if you are not careful for two tether climbing where all of your time is spent on a rope/webbing step that is free to change position if you are not careful?

I am still working on making 2TC work for me but believe I will get there. As far as time on the aider, seems 2tc is only 50% of time on aider as you alternate between saddle tether and foot tether. And technically may be more than 50% of time on aider for 1sticking as most are transitions through 3 step aiders for each move. Or at least about same overall time on the aider in either technique.

I still prefer standing on larger platform, that I can easily carry along with 2TC setup, but would extra in a 1 stick setup. Thats partly why I like 2TC over 1 stick.

 

[Trentrivs]

I am a current one sticker. Looking to transition to Srt/2tc for next season. Some of the trees I want to hunt have too many vines and brush at the base hence the srt. If I don’t have a preset and don’t want to throw line I’ll just 2tc. I just need a better foot loop. Doing it on 8mm oplux with wimpy rubber boots didn’t feel great.


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[Cbigbear]

I am a current one sticker. Looking to transition to Srt/2tc for next season. Some of the trees I want to hunt have too many vines and brush at the base hence the srt. If I don’t have a preset and don’t want to throw line I’ll just 2tc. I just need a better foot loop. Doing it on 8mm oplux with wimpy rubber boots didn’t feel great.


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Won’t the vines & brush also cause interference with moving the tethers?

 

[Trentrivs]

Won’t the vines & brush also cause interference with moving the tethers?

Yeah that’s when I’ll use srt. 2tc only when I have to. Sorry I didn’t make that clearer

We also have a lot of large diameter trees that make any climbing method that requires a rope all the way around the tree difficult so think with these two paired I should be able to get in any tree. My rappel line is already my top tether and my lineman’s is also a foot tether so really only thing to add is a stouter cgm foot loop and a hand ascender


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[Plebe]

I just need a better foot loop. Doing it on 8mm oplux with wimpy rubber boots didn’t feel great.

I think boot type plays big on wether or not 2TC will work out more easily when someone is getting started out with it. The stiffest boots are probably the most challenging.

Maybe boot type should make the demographics study suggested by @Jammintree.

 

[Plebe]

Wrong...With bolts you still need a tether and posibly a linemans.bolts and a drill cant be more compact and are not leagle evrrywhere..most people switched from treestands to saddles for mobility just to use the same climbing method and platform wich is a little stand defeating the purpose
.though oregon is full of trees finding a setup is actualy rare due to density of the forest making hunting from the ground a norm and tree hunting just an opertunity only thing that nobody wants to carry sticks for so only an ultra light compact system makes sence for .....being that it probably wont get used 80 percent of the time.i wear my setup elk hunting and need to go for miles and days without using it however there are some good wallows to wait over around lunch time when the rare opertunity presents its self that the heard is in the area and a bull might want a drink while his cows rest

Largely agree, but I‘ll just point out that mobility can mean different things.

It can mean being on the run most the time and setting up occasionally over a wallow.

Or it can mean going in miles and miles to that one spot you know will hit if you sit it all day in 0degree temps and you got to pack 10lbs of cold weather gear in to do so.

 

[tailgunner]

Agrea...this asumes you are hitting the brush in the dark of morning and leaving in the dark of evening when its harder to see obsticles that will hang up your gear.. plus going far.may even jump an animal on the way in then just wait on the ground for a shot at light , then make the harvest without even useing your tree gear...even more reasons for ultra light, ultra compact ,and ultra quiet gear meaning you can pack more creature comforts and more cool ultralight gadgets as a gear junkie.its a garontee that if every product you could posibly use for a hunt was lighter and worked just as well down to the boots ,packs and layering system,even camera gear and the camera its self saddle hunters will want it and spend money on it even if they have sufficiant heavyer gear allready....like changing the strap out on a stick for amsteal.ha ha ha haaahhh...with 2tc the guys who like bigger heavyer platforms wont have other heavy stuff to clang it on and half the weight and if they dont mind the weight or bulk and possible click or clang then a climbing stand or any other stand makes just as much sence even without a two system saddle hybrid..2 things can be true at the same time.i agea with you compleatly

 

[Black Titan]

I started out one sticking. I think I tried multiple sticks for one afternoon, and didn't really care for it. I very soon ordered all the stuff needed to make my one stick.

I have since ordered a new set of sticks to give it a try again, as some mornings I find one sticking to be a bit strenuous, especially if I've hunted several days in a row. I also don't have as much flexibility as I would like, so for every 4 feet I go up, I drop down a foot to retrieve my stick since I can't bend enough to reach it after stepping onto my platform.

I like one sticking, but I'm constantly looking to try new things, so I ordered the 2TC kit from CGM. It arrived today. Hoping to catch a break in the monotony of the day to get out there and try it.

The one thing I don't care for while one sticking is the slack, and for me, the fiddle factor since I insist on climbing with both my rappel rope attached and a linemans. I spend more time slinging ropes up the tree than actual climbing.

BT

 

[CharlieTN]

The one thing I don't care for while one sticking is the slack, and for me, the fiddle factor since I insist on climbing with both my rappel rope attached and a linemans. I spend more time slinging ropes up the tree than actual climbing.

BT

I found myself using the lineman’s rope also when 1-stick climbing on most trees and I move my tether with each step up so it’s a slower but also safer process than what you see so many doing. I have not needed the lineman’s with 2TC but have found I like using the thigh loop. It makes me more stable on the tree when moving the foot tether up so I’m able to relax. That makes me less likely to sweat while also making me faster as well.