Amsteel vs Other Options

[Jajtner01]

So I've noticed that alot of people are using amsteel for alot of different mods on this site. I'm wondering if there's a reason for not using another high break strength cord like UHMWPE Poly cord?

I can seem to find it cheaper on Amazon, and it seems to have a high enough break strength (2200# @ 1/8" Dia).

Before I start using it I just wanted to see if others had tried and ran into issues.

 

[Carolina_trad_hntr]

I think the price differential is marginal enough that Amsteel wins the contest hands down. Lighter, stronger, rot and mildew resistant. Its damn near the perfect rope for alot of applications.

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[Nutterbuster]

I looked it up and it's definitely interesting. Thanks for the info!

 

[Scott F]

So I've noticed that alot of people are using amsteel for alot of different mods on this site. I'm wondering if there's a reason for not using another high break strength cord like UHMWPE Poly cord?

I can seem to find it cheaper on Amazon, and it seems to have a high enough break strength (2200# @ 1/8" Dia).

Before I start using it I just wanted to see if others had tried and ran into issues.

Just use what G2 uses and you will be fine...
Hahaha

I dont know how much cost savings it would be for the length of amsteel that I buy, but I have a certain peace of mind knowing that amsteel will keep me safe enough to hunt another day whenever I am suspended by it.

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[Swampfox]

So I've noticed that alot of people are using amsteel for alot of different mods on this site. I'm wondering if there's a reason for not using another high break strength cord like UHMWPE Poly cord?

I can seem to find it cheaper on Amazon, and it seems to have a high enough break strength (2200# @ 1/8" Dia).

Before I start using it I just wanted to see if others had tried and ran into issues.

I started with 1/8” for bridge material and it served me well, however I started using the necessary 1/4” for rope mods on sticks and steps. In doing this I simplified things and kept all recent rope purchases to the 1/4” for all applications. 1/4” is easier to work with but neither is really hard.

 

[TheTracker]

I think the price differential is marginal enough that Amsteel wins the contest hands down. Lighter, stronger, rot and mildew resistant. Its damn near the perfect rope for alot of applications.

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Theres a reason that alot of climbers dont use amsteel, It loses around 80% of its strength when tied in certain knots and it doesnt have the knotability of other climbing ropes. Plus it was mainly designed for winches.
Knots weaken ropes considerably. 50% is a rule of thumb, but can go up to 80%, yes.
But don't forget, hardware can weaken ropes just as much or more. A really sharp bend over an edge or hardware with a small diameter can be worse than a bad knot. Even dynamic forces can permanently weaken a rope.
So, two lessons: avoid bad knots, bad hardware, and undue dynamic forces, and calculate strength-to-weight ratios at 10-to-1 if you want a decent margin of safety with a rope that's rated for life support. It definitely has a lot of good uses for it!

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[g2outdoors]

Never tie a knot in Amsteel. You should splice it 100% of the time. Knots DO NOT work on dyneema ropes like Amsteel Blue. Plus knots weaken any rope by 30%-50% depending on the rope and who you ask. Splicing allows you to retain nearly 100% of the ropes original strength.

You also don't want to use Amsteel in a situation where you need a rope with dynamic properties. It has virtually no stretch at all. That's why I stick to climbing rope for my tether and keep the Amsteel only as a bridge. My tether will stretch, the Amsteel will not.

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[bowhuntr09]

Never tie a knot in Amsteel. You should splice it 100% of the time. Knots DO NOT work on dyneema ropes like Amsteel Blue. Plus knots weaken any rope by 30%-50% depending on the rope and who you ask. Splicing allows you to retain nearly 100% of the ropes original strength.

You also don't want to use Amsteel in a situation where you need a rope with dynamic properties. It has virtually no stretch at all. That's why I stick to climbing rope for my tether and keep the Amsteel only as a bridge. My tether will stretch, the Amsteel will not.

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So based on this statement it would seems you are not a proponent of using it for WE Stepps?

 

[Nutterbuster]

So based on this statement it would seems you are not a proponent of using it for WE Stepps?

I don't know that the wild edge knot really puts that much stress on the rope. Seems more like a hitch to me.

 

[TheTracker]

So based on this statement it would seems you are not a proponent of using it for WE Stepps?

I think he's talking about in terms of tying knots in the amsteel and using it for life support.

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[g2outdoors]

I personally like the ropes that come with the WE stepps. But a lot of guys seem happy with changing it to amsteel. I think amsteel is fine to tie that kind of knot since it's more of a friction hitch than a real knot. However, amsteel is very slippery and I bet that WE hitch will slip much easier with Amsteel compared to the stock ropes.

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[Swampfox]

I personally like the ropes that come with the WE stepps. But a lot of guys seem happy with changing it to amsteel. I think amsteel is fine to tie that kind of knot since it's more of a friction hitch than a real knot. However, amsteel is very slippery and I bet that WE hitch will slip much easier with Amsteel compared to the stock ropes.

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It does, 1/4” Amsteel is a must. Anything smaller and there’s not enough surface area for the Amsteel to bind and will slip.