Manuals say a lot of things, but I get it. Can't argue with what's written down!
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Ascending options for one sticking?
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DeerLaughAtMe
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I hang with my rappel rope and back up my safeguard with an alpine butterfly.
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cjr4497
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If you are lookin into auto locking tube devices check out the Mammut Smart 2.0 or Jul2. I have a smart 2.0 and it works great. I tired the Black Diamond Pilot, and it doesn't lockup with my Canyon Elite 9.5mm using any of my carabiners. 's. Me being overweight and the fairly slick sheath on the canyon rope doesn't help. I want to pick up a Jul2 to try.
The Mammut Smart 2.0 locks up and hold my just fine alone, but I back it up above the device at hunting height. Rappel is very easy and smooth.
This video shows various devices ability to lock up and catch you should you fall. Had I seen this before buying the BD Pilot, I never would have bought it. You have to remember rope diameter and sheath material matters a lot. A lot of stuff won't work properly with the slick 8mm ropes commonly used these days. The position of the tail end of your rope matters a lot of as well.
The Mammut Smart 2.0 locks up and hold my just fine alone, but I back it up above the device at hunting height. Rappel is very easy and smooth.
This video shows various devices ability to lock up and catch you should you fall. Had I seen this before buying the BD Pilot, I never would have bought it. You have to remember rope diameter and sheath material matters a lot. A lot of stuff won't work properly with the slick 8mm ropes commonly used these days. The position of the tail end of your rope matters a lot of as well.
TreeRecon
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Mammut Smart 2.0 is actually still an ABDIf you are lookin into auto locking tube devices check out the Mammut Smart 2.0 or Jul2. I have a smart 2.0 and it works great. I tired the Black Diamond Pilot, and it doesn't lockup with my Canyon Elite 9.5mm using any of my carabiners. 's. Me being overweight and the fairly slick sheath on the canyon rope doesn't help. I want to pick up a Jul2 to try.
The Mammut Smart 2.0 locks up and hold my just fine alone, but I back it up above the device at hunting height. Rappel is very easy and smooth.
This video shows various devices ability to lock up and catch you should you fall. Had I seen this before buying the BD Pilot, I never would have bought it. You have to remember rope diameter and sheath material matters a lot. A lot of stuff won't work properly with the slick 8mm ropes commonly used these days. The position of the tail end of your rope matters a lot of as well.
Marmuzz
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But I would add, I doubt the Mammut’s ability to catch you, despite it’s design. Testing in the backyard once on my one stick it did fail (without a backup hitch) to engage and grab even though I was falling backwards and I went quickly to the ground. It’s like it just slid down the rope with me and never tilted to lock up. I wasn’t very high up but it hurt. To be fair, in the descent I was kind of stumbling down my stick steps so maybe I never really fell hard enough in a straight vertical descent to make it engage on the rope, but after that experience I wasn’t keen to try it again. It works fine as a belay device but if you’re going to use a backup hitch anyway nearly any ABD will do.If you are lookin into auto locking tube devices check out the Mammut Smart 2.0 or Jul2. I have a smart 2.0 and it works great. I tired the Black Diamond Pilot, and it doesn't lockup with my Canyon Elite 9.5mm using any of my carabiners. 's. Me being overweight and the fairly slick sheath on the canyon rope doesn't help. I want to pick up a Jul2 to try.
The Mammut Smart 2.0 locks up and hold my just fine alone, but I back it up above the device at hunting height. Rappel is very easy and smooth.
This video shows various devices ability to lock up and catch you should you fall. Had I seen this before buying the BD Pilot, I never would have bought it. You have to remember rope diameter and sheath material matters a lot. A lot of stuff won't work properly with the slick 8mm ropes commonly used these days. The position of the tail end of your rope matters a lot of as well.
cjr4497
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Watch the video.
The figure 8 is loaded the wrong way, it has a possibility of slipping up the 8 and forming a girth hitch, locking it up.
Having the hitch below is a good way to keep the device tensioned, with your weight on the device, bending might affect its holding abilities. But like your picture I prefer the hitch above, with it holding the load.
Re: Jul 2, it is only a stainless steel atc type device with a handle, no assisted braking, and won’t hold you without pulling the brake rope down.
Dmathews87
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i use his method and have for a couple seasons, works great. schwabisch hitch above an ATC and auto block attached to my right loop. the ATC tends the hitch as i climb. I hunt on this setup, no switching over required. When im ready to get down, i just rappel down by pulling down a bit on the hitch. The auto block is just a secondary safety thing and gives me better peace of mind when im hanging collecting sticks or hanging platform (i use this method with multi sticks as well)
