Coathanger15
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That's great. Nice thinking. I am going to tinker with this method as it has definitely peaked my interest. Where do you get the cam buckles with the hooks for the straps around the tree? Thanks
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Back to my crazy idea
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Is it worth doing a limited prototype run and having a few more people test it out with the cam buckles or do you think ropes with mechanical ascender will be much better? How do you envision connecting the ropes to the hooks and does this crazy idea have a name yet? (Need to negotiate royalties with @Peterk1234.)
that seems like a great idea, but it worries me that when your legs kick out, with only a linesman belt on your going to be stuck
in the tree hanging either upside down or sideways , with no way to self rescue.
IMO it would be better to climb with a girth hitch around the tree to your saddle connection with your rope long enough to hit the ground
this way if you kick out, your saddle would stop the fall and you would have a way to get out of the jam that is surely going to happen
you need the girth hitch anyway when you get to hunting height ,
in the tree hanging either upside down or sideways , with no way to self rescue.
IMO it would be better to climb with a girth hitch around the tree to your saddle connection with your rope long enough to hit the ground
this way if you kick out, your saddle would stop the fall and you would have a way to get out of the jam that is surely going to happen
you need the girth hitch anyway when you get to hunting height ,
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I'd be willing to try something out like this and have been rattling around ideas in my head with a multi-step amsteel aider and amsteel girth hitched around the tree but haven't had time to put it together. @Weldabeast made something similar with sewn foot loops strapped to the tree. https://saddlehunter.com/community/...less-climbing-method.24605/page-6#post-366313
This method is legit....it has a video
There are so many ways to get up the tree, as long as your staying safe, there's no wrong way.
Peterk1234
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Hi guys. Haven't been here for a while but the recent posts popped up in my email.
I have not changed much with this system at this point. Unfortunately, or fortunately, this is competing with my knaider/swaider and WE steps with the straps and quick release (vs ropes). The latter is so fast, compact and rock solid, that it is hard for me to get away from it. With that said, I have made some observations when using the strap climbing thingy whatever we should call it.
It works very well.
I have no issue ever with kick out.
Super, super compact.
Easy to use so far.
Things I need to address and change:
Wear and tear. The strap going around the tree gets rubbed up pretty quick. While I think it is a no issue for the strap, the thread needs protection. There are plenty of fixes for this, I just have not bothered to deal with it.
The cam buckles. They work well. I am a bit concerned about webbing wear here because there is friction. Those little teeth on the cam are aggressive. I need to use it more to see how bad it will get, if at all. I am very tempted to use a couple of ropemans and a 9mm line.
Just some thoughts as people start trying this out.
What is really slick is that this stuff all fits in your pocket. There is something to be said for that. Slap a little platform on your back and you are good to go.
Pete
P.S. Speaking of the WE Step with straps. Try getting a good cam lock on a very big tree with the rope. It is a bitch. With the strap and cam setup it is a piece of cake.
I have not changed much with this system at this point. Unfortunately, or fortunately, this is competing with my knaider/swaider and WE steps with the straps and quick release (vs ropes). The latter is so fast, compact and rock solid, that it is hard for me to get away from it. With that said, I have made some observations when using the strap climbing thingy whatever we should call it.
It works very well.
I have no issue ever with kick out.
Super, super compact.
Easy to use so far.
Things I need to address and change:
Wear and tear. The strap going around the tree gets rubbed up pretty quick. While I think it is a no issue for the strap, the thread needs protection. There are plenty of fixes for this, I just have not bothered to deal with it.
The cam buckles. They work well. I am a bit concerned about webbing wear here because there is friction. Those little teeth on the cam are aggressive. I need to use it more to see how bad it will get, if at all. I am very tempted to use a couple of ropemans and a 9mm line.
Just some thoughts as people start trying this out.
What is really slick is that this stuff all fits in your pocket. There is something to be said for that. Slap a little platform on your back and you are good to go.
Pete
P.S. Speaking of the WE Step with straps. Try getting a good cam lock on a very big tree with the rope. It is a bitch. With the strap and cam setup it is a piece of cake.
You could do something similar
How do you envision connecting the rope to the hooks?
Peterk1234
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Boy, good question. Need to think it through but maybe have the carabiner of the ropeman going through the same webbing/hook as in the pic above.
Iron_llama
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Apologies for resurrecting a necro thread... but I had a very similar thought I haven't had a chance to experiment with.
2 tethers, 2 of those cam buckle straps. Tethers are standard static line. Each tether has 2 prussic loops on it, and the both lower prussic are clipped into the bridge(s). The cam buckle straps are on a hook or 'biner that attaches to the top Prussic of the top tether, which is pushed all the way against the loop/quick link, preventing it from loosening.
Function is similar to your first video. As you climb the cam buckles, you pull the slack out of your tether. With no slack in the system there's less possibility of a fall. When you've pulled all the slack out, while hanging from the tether, deploy your second tether as high as you can, arrange the prussics, and switch the cam buckles to the top tether. Once your weight is on the top tether, remove the bottom while you climb. I think it would be better to use 2 adjustable bridges here, to remove the chance of disconnecting the wrong 'biner.
Rappell to descend.
Since you're tied in to the tether, which is climbing rated for life support, it's not so critical that the camb buckles aren't so rated.
Essentially a variation of 2TC, with the cam buckle straps acting as an aider.
Thoughts?
2 tethers, 2 of those cam buckle straps. Tethers are standard static line. Each tether has 2 prussic loops on it, and the both lower prussic are clipped into the bridge(s). The cam buckle straps are on a hook or 'biner that attaches to the top Prussic of the top tether, which is pushed all the way against the loop/quick link, preventing it from loosening.
Function is similar to your first video. As you climb the cam buckles, you pull the slack out of your tether. With no slack in the system there's less possibility of a fall. When you've pulled all the slack out, while hanging from the tether, deploy your second tether as high as you can, arrange the prussics, and switch the cam buckles to the top tether. Once your weight is on the top tether, remove the bottom while you climb. I think it would be better to use 2 adjustable bridges here, to remove the chance of disconnecting the wrong 'biner.
Rappell to descend.
Since you're tied in to the tether, which is climbing rated for life support, it's not so critical that the camb buckles aren't so rated.
Essentially a variation of 2TC, with the cam buckle straps acting as an aider.
Thoughts?