Concealed Carry

[Mschmeiske]

and what someone else said...

dont do anything that could start an altercation anymore. no honking your horn at someone on their phone etc etc,

you really dont want to draw any attention to yourself.

Good for you though man. Getting the permit and normalizing this in states like NY is the most important thing we can do for the 2A

Yeah I figured no throwing fuel on a fire and just remove myself from any altercation if possible. The older I get the quieter I get. I really try and spend my time at home, work, the woods, water or friends houses. Occasionally I’ll go to a brewery or pub, but I figured best not to bring it there.

 

[Mschmeiske]

very true....some folks use having a gun to embolden them to be more confrontational than usual.....when it should be the opposite

especially in NYS, if you can viewed at all as escalating a situation, then there's a huge chance of you getting into legal trouble

also, for a similar reason, I would avoid anything "tacticool" on the gun or holster (like punisher logos or something) and i've even heard folks say to avoid ammo that has aggressive names or packaging (like ammo with a pronged slug and the name zombie skull splitter and a green blood splatter on the box)

lastly, glock or similar t-shirts and vehicle stickers should be avoided for the legal implications, staying under the radar, and it also gives up your tactical advantage (why the folks that open carry around here in public don't make sense to me....go ahead and paint a target on your back for any would-be active shooter)

Yeah I figured don’t give them any arsenal to use against ya. About a month ago, my buddy did a brow tint strip across my front window and slapped a 2A sticker on it, but that’s coming off. I’m sure he’ll understand. I’d prefer to be low key.

 

[raisins]

Yeah I figured don’t give them any arsenal to use against ya. About a month ago, my buddy did a brow tint strip across my front window and slapped a 2A sticker on it, but that’s coming off. I’m sure he’ll understand. I’d prefer to be low key.

good call

also, i don't talk about guns or concealed carry with many folks, especially anyone at work or random groups

many reasons for this, on my part

if this forum wasn't somewhat anonymous, i wouldn't be typing about this here

 

[The_Fit_Ness_Monster]

SAMI instructor in the Navy, carry concealed since 2007 military and civilian overseas in both entities in a past life. And I’ll just beat a dead horse here, It would behoove you to take classes regularly and train often. Pistol isn’t like rifle if you’re not practicing with it skill will slip. I highly recommend the mantis training system. Worth every penny and much more in value. I live fire once maybe twice a year but do at least 100 shots a day with the trainer. It does wonders. Main thing is get a good holster, always always always practice safety. Remember, if you’re not training it, you probably can’t and won’t do it in a SHTF situation, don’t go off what you think you can do go with what you know you can do. P.S. I can’t imagine what you went through to get that in NYS.

 

[Mschmeiske]

good call

also, i don't talk about guns or concealed carry with many folks, especially anyone at work or random groups

many reasons for this, on my part

if this forum wasn't somewhat anonymous, i wouldn't be typing about this here

I’ll admit, I was hesitant about the post because I’d prefer folks around here, not know. Only the closest people too me. What persuaded me, was the fact that I don’t have many people around me to ask some of these questions.. I’d also assume most of the people around here aren’t on this forum. People carry here in NY, but I’d assume far fewer than a lot of the more friendly 2A states.

 

[FrankNess14]

All good advice. Carry around house with ammo in a completely separate area. I’d skip this gizmos and just dryfire on a 1/3 size target or light switches (again, ammo not even in the same room). Dryfire will not hurt and will only improve the trigger making it smoother (like polishing). Nothing beats training and live fire.

Also, some will disagree, but weapon manipulation and hitting where your aiming as fast as you are currently capable of can be best learned through pistol competitions. USPSA and IDPA will teach you more about your movements, gun handling and that specific gun than just about anything else. Find a local match and go watch, but trust me you’ll be sad you didn’t come prepared to shoot!!! 99% of local matches will be a great group of like minded individuals who will love sharing their experience and knowledge for free, and yes, sometimes too freely, but in the spirit of helping mostly. Watch those that are shooting so fast your convinced they aren’t even looking at their sights then go score their targets to learn what is actually possible with some practice.

Tactical training is great but there are two weapons involved in using a gun. The physical connection between the gun and your hopefully repetitively trained body (“muscle memory”) and using your brain for what to do in this particular situation. Completion let’s your gun/ body learn to go somewhat subconscious and tactical training give your the smarts to do the right thing at the right time. They are the two side of the sword that work best when both are sharp!

More importantly, pistol competions are an absolute blast (pun intended)!

If you or anyone else wants help finding a local club, send me a message and I’ll help you search.

 

[Mschmeiske]

All good advice. Carry around house with ammo in a completely separate area. I’d skip this gizmos and just dryfire on a 1/3 size target or light switches (again, ammo not even in the same room). Dryfire will not hurt and will only improve the trigger making it smoother (like polishing). Nothing beats training and live fire.

Also, some will disagree, but weapon manipulation and hitting where your aiming as fast as you are currently capable of can be best learned through pistol competitions. USPSA and IDPA will teach you more about your movements, gun handling and that specific gun than just about anything else. Find a local match and go watch, but trust me you’ll be sad you didn’t come prepared to shoot!!! 99% of local matches will be a great group of like minded individuals who will love sharing their experience and knowledge for free, and yes, sometimes too freely, but in the spirit of helping mostly. Watch those that are shooting so fast your convinced they aren’t even looking at their sights then go score their targets to learn what is actually possible with some practice.

Tactical training is great but there are two weapons involved in using a gun. The physical connection between the gun and your hopefully repetitively trained body (“muscle memory”) and using your brain for what to do in this particular situation. Completion let’s your gun/ body learn to go somewhat subconscious and tactical training give your the smarts to do the right thing at the right time. They are the two side of the sword that work best when both are sharp!

More importantly, pistol competions are an absolute blast (pun intended)!

If you or anyone else wants help finding a local club, send me a message and I’ll help you search.

I greatly appreciate that and it’s something I’m considering in the future! At the very least, I think it would be great to go watch one sometime.

 

[Mschmeiske]

SAMI instructor in the Navy, carry concealed since 2007 military and civilian overseas in both entities in a past life. And I’ll just beat a dead horse here, It would behoove you to take classes regularly and train often. Pistol isn’t like rifle if you’re not practicing with it skill will slip. I highly recommend the mantis training system. Worth every penny and much more in value. I live fire once maybe twice a year but do at least 100 shots a day with the trainer. It does wonders. Main thing is get a good holster, always always always practice safety. Remember, if you’re not training it, you probably can’t and won’t do it in a SHTF situation, don’t go off what you think you can do go with what you know you can do. P.S. I can’t imagine what you went through to get that in NYS.

So in my county before September of 2022, you filled out a packet of papers and notified them of your criminal record. You also needed 4 references/people that live in your county. Turn them in and pay over $100 and pretty much wait 4-6 months to hear if you got the judges approval.

I don’t agree with any of this…If you haven’t been stripped of your rights, you shouldn’t need another’s approval. After Gov. Hochul passed some dumb laws back in September, I hadn’t been approved yet, so they sent me another packet… that time around, I had to apply for a semi auto permit, and a pistol permit, write down my references again, and criminal record. They also make you take a 16hr course that cost $200. Oh, and I had to give them my social media accounts, Facebook/Instagram. That’s how ridiculous this state is. I’m not sure if that’s just for CCW or any pistol permit in general?

I love NY, it’s beautiful and if you like the outdoors, it isn’t a bad place! But the laws/politicians stink!

 

[Micneador]

I used to carry a hammerless S&W .357 as my CCW until I realized that being the guy who carries a gun it's also my duty to protect other innocent people and not just myself. Ended up with my current EDC rig as a S&W MP 9 with a Trex arms side car appendix holster. The MP9 is a gun I used to carry when I was bowhunting in my early teens and I shoot very well with it. Put close to 500 rounds through it in various drills and became comfortable with my reloads as well as efficiently drawing from appendix.

https://www.trex-arms.com/training-drills-50-round-pistol-cof/

This is one of my favorite pistol drills as I can keep track of how well I improve over time. Set a baseline, train some more over time, then run the drill again to check your progress.

My buddy likes the dot torture drill.

https://pistol-training.com/shooting-drills/dot-torture/

 

[JBDaddy]

My wife asked me why I feel the need to carry around the house.
"Decepticons," I said.
She laughed, I laughed, the toaster laughed, I shot the toaster.
Good times.

Carry around the house, fully loaded. Carry is more important to be "comforting" not "comfortable", the more you do it, the more "comfortable" it gets. It builds muscle memory for access so you're not feeling so obvious when it's on your hip/appendix while you're out somewhere and you keep lightly brushing it to remind yourself it's there, invisible, etc.

Likewise, get used to carrying in your vehicle, drawing, etc.

 

[will4554]

Kydex, kydex, kydex. And loops with a single directional snap, or a closed attachment system (non negotiable for me). I won’t carry with j hooks or anything similar, if it can come od of your belt, it will. Shoot as much as you can, trainers are good as well. Dry fire practice isn’t a new thing. And if you ever need to use it, don’t talk to anyone but an attorney. No one who shows up is your friend.

 

[woodsdog2]

A lot of great advice already I can’t add much if anything except what I use and my experience. BTW, I also live in the same “great” state as the OP. I have been a permit holder since 2004 and I also have my PA permit. I do typically carry iwb a SW Sigma in 9mm or at my right kidney. I switch to an ankle carry for my SW Model 36 snubnose chief special as well. I also have a pad holster for that gun when waist carrying. Sometimes I carry the snub with a shoulder holster as well it also has speed loader pouches. I have some criminal justice training and took a police handgun training and shooting techniques course many moons ago. One thing I highly recommend and stress as has been stated previously is to “for sure” know and understand your open sights and sighting technique. My best advice for developing consistent hand gun accuracy and good groups down range is 1. aLways aim for center of mass and 2. Focus on your front sight not your target or rear sight

 

[raisins]

A lot of great advice already I can’t add much if anything except what I use and my experience. BTW, I also live in the same “great” state as the OP. I have been a permit holder since 2004 and I also have my PA permit. I do typically carry iwb a SW Sigma in 9mm or at my right kidney. I switch to an ankle carry for my SW Model 36 any nose chief special as well. I also have a pad holster for that gun when waist carrying. Sometimes I carry the snub with a shoulder holster as well it also has speed loader pouches. I have some criminal justice training and took a police handgun training and shooting techniques course many moons ago. One thing I highly recommend and stress as has been stated previously is to “for sure” know and understand your open sights and sighting technique. My best advice for developing consistent hand gun accuracy and good groups down range is 1. aLways aim for center of mass and 2. Focus on your front sight not your target or rear sight

yep....exact opposite to a compound bow sight where you focus on the target

 

[woodsdog2]

yep....exact opposite to a compound bow sight where you focus on the target

Actually, I do it the same way as my handgun sighting. My target panic pretty much ceases.

 

[PEEJAY]

Yeah I figured no throwing fuel on a fire and just remove myself from any altercation if possible. The older I get the quieter I get. I really try and spend my time at home, work, the woods, water or friends houses. Occasionally I’ll go to a brewery or pub, but I figured best not to bring it there.

If your drinking at said brewery/pub...then no (especially if thats the law). but if not i fully recommend having it at all times.

i dont drink and you better believe its on me anywhere i know i can carry it. I walk with my friends around baltimore city at night and although the places might have rules, if i know im not going through a metal detector its coming with me. even music venues.

In maryland, im not breaking any laws by carrying in a place with a sign that says "no guns" or whatever. with the exception of a school or government property etc. Im only breaking laws if im asked to leave and i dont (i will gladly leave any property asking me to for that). even then its trespassing, nothing to do with my firearm. not sure what the law is in NY, i know Hochul is doing everything she can to infringe on your rights so be careful. DC laws are so crazy its not even worth getting the permit for me. i just dont go there anymore.

G-Sight ELMS was the laser i use. its a really nice one. the app works pretty good too. The mantis one that connects to your rail is pretty cool too since you can use it with live ammo too though.

 

[Mschmeiske]

If your drinking at said brewery/pub...then no (especially if thats the law). but if not i fully recommend having it at all times.

i dont drink and you better believe its on me anywhere i know i can carry it. I walk with my friends around baltimore city at night and although the places might have rules, if i know im not going through a metal detector its coming with me. even music venues.

In maryland, im not breaking any laws by carrying in a place with a sign that says "no guns" or whatever. with the exception of a school or government property etc. Im only breaking laws if im asked to leave and i dont (i will gladly leave any property asking me to for that). even then its trespassing, nothing to do with my firearm. not sure what the law is in NY, i know Hochul is doing everything she can to infringe on your rights so be careful. DC laws are so crazy its not even worth getting the permit for me. i just dont go there anymore.

G-Sight ELMS was the laser i use. its a really nice one. the app works pretty good too. The mantis one that connects to your rail is pretty cool too since you can use it with live ammo too though.

Let’s just say after Gov. Hochuls new laws, we’re probably near DC laws here in NY and it’s almost not worth having…

 

[thedutchtouch]

I have an old friend that I'm hoping to get back in touch with that through life's twists and turns has become a concealed carry coach/trainer and look forward to learning more in the future. He does tell people to carry as much as possible when they "know" they won't need to, so that it feels normal when they think they do need to. Makes a lot of sense. I do not currently carry but want to learn more about using those types of tools and become proficient now that I no longer live with a hardliner. If I do decide to concealed carry though I wouldn't talk about it, isn't that the whole point of concealed?

That's an ignorant newbie's perspective though, in reality it seems like we could both benefit from the advice of people like @Exhumis and a few others replying here.

 

[VASteve]

All of the tips, pointers, advice detailed above is spot on, but I didn't see in any of the posts the most important (in my opinion) part of the carry is. I would highly recommend doing some serous soul-searching and make 100% sure that you are able to and prepared to take someone else's life. This means a 14, 15, 16 year old kid or a girl. If your intention is to carry to "scare" people if you get into a bad situation then do not carry. If you pull out weapon, please make sure you can use it to take a life to protect yours, and deal with the aftermath of that. I am not trying to be a downer to this as it is a great conversation to have and it is good to be prepared, but this is what is at stake at the end of the day.

 

[deerfly]

I got all my training growing up in Miami during the 70's...

 

[Ripper]

All of the tips, pointers, advice detailed above is spot on, but I didn't see in any of the posts the most important (in my opinion) part of the carry is. I would highly recommend doing some serous soul-searching and make 100% sure that you are able to and prepared to take someone else's life. This means a 14, 15, 16 year old kid or a girl. If your intention is to carry to "scare" people if you get into a bad situation then do not carry. If you pull out weapon, please make sure you can use it to take a life to protect yours, and deal with the aftermath of that. I am not trying to be a downer to this as it is a great conversation to have and it is good to be prepared, but this is what is at stake at the end of the day.

Well said.

I think this aspect gets overlooked by a lot of people.

Anti-gunners like to spout the misconception that CC'ers are always looking to be a hero in a self-defense shooting. I can't speak for everyone, but for me at least the prospect is pretty scary and I hope it never happens.

This ain't the movies.