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Different perspective on scent control

Haha! Love this. I recently heard something similar... idea being that you hang worn t-shirts throughout spots you plan on hunting. I thought about doing that for the small bit of acreage behind my house.

Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. It's either going to work out beautifully, or you won't see a deer in 2020. :)
Sure would make for a great magazine article if it worked on a giant too! I'm only half joking about doing it, as I have though about it for a few years, but never applied it yet. Any animal can become conditioned, deer are no different.
 
I am thinking about a totally unscientific experiment on game lands. I thought about buying this 10 of the Glade air freshers that spray every 30 minutes and last for up to 60 days and placing them up in trees all over the areas I intend to hunt while scouting the next few months. In theory, I should be able to replenish them periodically and through many months, the bucks will get used to the smell as normal there. When I go in to hunt there, I just need to spray down with the same air freshener smell and they will ignore me downwind. It will either work well and I become scent invisible, or at least I will smell good in the tree. Sorry in advance to guys who may want to hunt the same game lands I target!
Read an article years back about a guide that used “dummies” placed in all his stands. He occasionally replaced the clothing on the fake hunters with highly scented clothing. He did this all year prior to hunting season. He claimed it allowed his clients to harvest some nice deer from those stands.
 
Read an article years back about a guide that used “dummies” placed in all his stands. He occasionally replaced the clothing on the fake hunters with highly scented clothing. He did this all year prior to hunting season. He claimed it allowed his clients to harvest some nice deer from those stands.
...thats dedication....yeah dedication is the word I meant ;)
 
Sure would make for a great magazine article if it worked on a giant too! I'm only half joking about doing it, as I have though about it for a few years, but never applied it yet. Any animal can become conditioned, deer are no different.
I can only imagine the reaction my wife would give if half the clothes in my closet regularly came up "missing" for a week or two.

Wait... this sounds like a new market!

~L' mauvaise odeur de man~
"Don't Lok it in. Let it out. Let it ALL out."

:cool:
 
I can only imagine the reaction my wife would give if half the clothes in my closet regularly came up "missing" for a week or two.

Wait... this sounds like a new market!

~L' mauvaise odeur de man~
"Don't Lok it in. Let it out. Let it ALL out."

:cool:
Start early and corner the market. Might need a new name for “Dummy” though!
SPSD- Strategically Placed Scent Decoys

It can open a whole new hunting/market strategy. Manufacturing of human scent bombs to be used to acclimate or divert game movement. Optimal deployment by drone to confuse or drive deer to a natural or man made funnel.

Scent pods have small gps microchip that transmits locations to the hunters cell phone map. Deluxe versions have on/off switch to disperse scent.
 
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After a long life of deer hunting and going though the scent control obsession several years ago and realizing a few things.
1. It became so difficult to prepare for a hunt I was losing the joy of it all.
2. It was a futile effort
3. It was making me a lazy hunter in the woods thinking (for a short time), i could substitute technology for sound hunting habits.

Then,
I started hanging out with a very prominent deer / hound tracking in my home state, I became more convinced than ever that scent control was essentially a futile fantasy. All that said, these days I go the mile to do these things:
1. Do my best to keep my clean pair of knee high rubber boots (not wearing in the house or in the vehicle) as uncontaminated as possible, and wearing rubber only, when deer hunting.
2. Try to make contact as little as possible with ground cover when entering a hunt set-up
3. Never, ever hunt the same stand in a rotation of more than 3-5 days
4. Never, ever hunt a stand with a contrary wind, even if it means none of my stands are good for a hunt (these days I make stand sets for all wind directions)
5 Make multiple (if necessary) walk-ins to a given stand based on prevailing wind directions.
6 use the saddle to scout hunt so stand repetition/over-hunt and wind can be countered instantly, on any given day if my pre-set stands are compromised in any way, by any of the above.

The due diligence for most of this can be done in the off season and my mature buck sightings have come back up better than ever. Since i hunt state land in Michigan, I also have to deal with other hunters encroaching into my areas, and bait hunters, which will change deer movement in the entire area. So I set 14-20 stand sites typically, pre-prepped, and count on losing at least half (or more) of them to hunter encroachment before the end of season. I do not scrap with hunters for territory, I simply abandon the stand and area immediately. it being a waste of precious hunt time to try and counter the effects of another hunter in my area.

Bottom line is, if you think you're fooling deer with scent control, and I'm talking Ozone (which has its own odor), carbon suits (which cannot eliminate your scent), or use cover scents (that a deers nose can break down to a molecular level and know its fake), you're only fooling yourself. I say this with humility, because I did.

Hunt the wind, and prepare year round, in advance to hunt the wind properly and never become predictable to deer. JMO
 
Let's just say "Scent Control" is effective or it isn't...my answer is "it Depends" first two days in stand is not that critical if your hunting the right wind and your approach (entry) provides the advantage. I believe scent control is extremely important but laziness and cutting corners has become the norm. When I say it depends....you have to evaluate the hunt before and during or what developes during a chosen hunt. Wind changes, bucks on lock down with a doe, and food source changes...all give an advantage to us regarding scent detection. Think if you were a robber....would you want people to detect you or not know your there. Bucks as they get older become more tolerant of human scent...but they learn to alter their movent or remain concealed right under your nose without busting from their hiding spot...I also hunt in Michigan also....and older bucks are hard to come by...last year a buck I wanted to hunt got shot out of someones kitchen window...he was thee only buck I wanted to go after....the point is if the wind changes you've got to move or call it a day...if you see a buck tending a doe during lockdown climb down from your stand and make a staulk...the wind is not going to hurt you 50% of the time...
 
Let's just say "Scent Control" is effective or it isn't...my answer is "it Depends" first two days in stand is not that critical if your hunting the right wind and your approach (entry) provides the advantage. I believe scent control is extremely important but laziness and cutting corners has become the norm. When I say it depends....you have to evaluate the hunt before and during or what developes during a chosen hunt. Wind changes, bucks on lock down with a doe, and food source changes...all give an advantage to us regarding scent detection. Think if you were a robber....would you want people to detect you or not know your there. Bucks as they get older become more tolerant of human scent...but they learn to alter their movent or remain concealed right under your nose without busting from their hiding spot...I also hunt in Michigan also....and older bucks are hard to come by...last year a buck I wanted to hunt got shot out of someones kitchen window...he was thee only buck I wanted to go after....the point is if the wind changes you've got to move or call it a day...if you see a buck tending a doe during lockdown climb down from your stand and make a staulk...the wind is not going to hurt you 50% of the time...
This guy gets it..read some of his other threads. And there is a bunch of (important little details) that he didn't even mention in this thread.

This topic attracts a lot of opinions from guys that are almost there (and others that are clueless), but they miss a few critical points. Tiny details are only a small percentage of the overall scheme. None of them, in of themselves, are all that important, but odor reduction (coupled with wind understanding) add up to a better hunt when each little, small percentage are added up together. Think about the total.
A perfect hunt where deer can never bust you and you success is 100% ??, never. But a better hunt, where once every 5 years you kill a target walk hanger buck and convince your wife there is room in the budget and on the wall?? To me, it worth the minimal efforts to reduce odor on a daily basis.have 5 close encounters with a 200" buck and tell me that little details don't matter. I had it happen.
Daily odor reduction habits are a lot easier than many guys portray it. An hour extra a day at the most to improve a hunt that only happens a couple times per year?? It a no brainer.
 
You really can put a little luck in your favor by paying attention to the little things that matter the most about scent control. I love to put together a seminar for you guys...one I call the "Opposite Corner"....this talk will make you shake your head....seriously
 
If this is something you are interested in, listen to the podcast I did On the Nine Fingers Chronicles. It’s a better format to provide context to the conversation.

It’s definitely a heated debate and I don’t think you have to do any type of scent reduction to be successful. Scent reduction is actively trying to reduce the concentration of odor molecules that come in contact with the deers nose. Hunting the wind and hunting “just off winds” are different ways to try and accomplish the same goal. You can’t fool a deers nose but how they react to that odor is more important to hunters than wether or not they can detect it.

Two main components
1)Can deer judge distance by odor concentration? This can be observed in tracking dogs and through our personal experience. This is also how deer can tell direction based off odor concentrations.
2)Are humans capable of reducing their odor?
There is a reason we take a shower before we go to work, we don’t just say it’s impossible to reduce all odor so why try.

If those two things are true is there a tactical advantage to having a deer think you are 200 yards away when you are only 30. I say yes.

I will add that treestand height has a enormous effect on the amount of odor that contacts a deer at ground level. Lifting the scent cone into an elevated position reduces the likelyhood that the highest concentration of odor comes in contact with a deers nose. Hunting out of a treestand is it’s own method of scent reduction.


 
Haha! Love this. I recently heard something similar... idea being that you hang worn t-shirts throughout spots you plan on hunting. I thought about doing that for the small bit of acreage behind my house.

Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. It's either going to work out beautifully, or you won't see a deer in 2020. :)
I actually have a spot I hunt on a power line that I put out a stinky tee shirt every year about 3 or 4 days before gun season starts. The deer like to cross up on a flat about 300 yards down the cut from our tripod stand so I tack a 2 ft. long piece of strapping as high as I can reach up on a pole about 250 yards down that flat and tack the tee shirt to it so it looks human-like and flaps in the breeze. In no time at all the deer are crossing just down in the gully in front of our stand trying to avoid "the stinking hunter". I periodically sneak down the power line during the season and freshen the shirt with some deodorant and a little wd-40. I've killed 2 bucks there and my wife has shot 2 there also. Works great!
 
If this is something you are interested in, listen to the podcast I did On the Nine Fingers Chronicles. It’s a better format to provide context to the conversation.

It’s definitely a heated debate and I don’t think you have to do any type of scent reduction to be successful. Scent reduction is actively trying to reduce the concentration of odor molecules that come in contact with the deers nose. Hunting the wind and hunting “just off winds” are different ways to try and accomplish the same goal. You can’t fool a deers nose but how they react to that odor is more important to hunters than wether or not they can detect it.

Two main components
1)Can deer judge distance by odor concentration? This can be observed in tracking dogs and through our personal experience. This is also how deer can tell direction based off odor concentrations.
2)Are humans capable of reducing their odor?
There is a reason we take a shower before we go to work, we don’t just say it’s impossible to reduce all odor so why try.

If those two things are true is there a tactical advantage to having a deer think you are 200 yards away when you are only 30. I say yes.

I will add that treestand height has a enormous effect on the amount of odor that contacts a deer at ground level. Lifting the scent cone into an elevated position reduces the likelyhood that the highest concentration of odor comes in contact with a deers nose. Hunting out of a treestand is it’s own method of scent reduction.


Another guy that gets it.
I doubt that any of us realize how many times we were busted by only 1%...just enough to screw our odds. Can we reduce our odor by 1%? You bet we can.
 
I'm lucky I guess. I can't even remember the last time I got busted. I'm sure there has probably been many times that I got busted and didn't know it because I never saw that deer to begin with but I'm talking about a deer that alerted to my scent and either left the area or blew at me and took off. I always try to shower with scent free soap and shampoo before every hunt. I wear knee high rubber boots. I wear scent lok pants, scent lok pullover sweatshirt and a full scent lok head cover. I keep my gear clean by keeping it all in a separate shed in my backyard including my boots, bow and clothing. There is nothing else stored in that shed. I also spray myself down after getting dressed with a scent eliminating spray that has an autumn woods scent to it. My hunting boots are my hunting boots and are only used for hunting and scouting. This sounds like a lot of time consuming work and it takes some dedication but once you get a system down it takes little time at all. Very similar to the advancements I have made with the first time using a saddle and sticks. Iv'e knocked about 15 minutes off the time it takes me to climb and set up now compared to early this spring. I'm even rappelling down now after practicing so my opinion is it is well worth the extra effort to REDUCE your scent. I do also hunt the wind though and where I hunt is a pretty heavily populated area so the deer are quite aware of humans and probably come in contact with them on a regular basis. That being said I did killed a nice little buck a few years back that came out on my entrance trail right to the tree I had climbed with my Summit about 45 minutes earlier. He sniffed the tree for a minute or so and I shot him when he started to walk away showing no sign that he ever knew I was there. :) I think it was worth it that day
 
I'm lucky I guess. I can't even remember the last time I got busted. I'm sure there has probably been many times that I got busted and didn't know it because I never saw that deer to begin with but I'm talking about a deer that alerted to my scent and either left the area or blew at me and took off. I always try to shower with scent free soap and shampoo before every hunt. I wear knee high rubber boots. I wear scent lok pants, scent lok pullover sweatshirt and a full scent lok head cover. I keep my gear clean by keeping it all in a separate shed in my backyard including my boots, bow and clothing. There is nothing else stored in that shed. I also spray myself down after getting dressed with a scent eliminating spray that has an autumn woods scent to it. My hunting boots are my hunting boots and are only used for hunting and scouting. This sounds like a lot of time consuming work and it takes some dedication but once you get a system down it takes little time at all. Very similar to the advancements I have made with the first time using a saddle and sticks. Iv'e knocked about 15 minutes off the time it takes me to climb and set up now compared to early this spring. I'm even rappelling down now after practicing so my opinion is it is well worth the extra effort to REDUCE your scent. I do also hunt the wind though and where I hunt is a pretty heavily populated area so the deer are quite aware of humans and probably come in contact with them on a regular basis. That being said I did killed a nice little buck a few years back that came out on my entrance trail right to the tree I had climbed with my Summit about 45 minutes earlier. He sniffed the tree for a minute or so and I shot him when he started to walk away showing no sign that he ever knew I was there. :) I think it was worth it that day

HaHa I guess you are just lucky!

I guess there is one thing that isn’t really talked about much though. If you hunt mobile you will get away with way more than if you hunt permanent stands or bait piles. I don’t care what you do, if you hunt bait piles deer will react negatively to lower levels of human odor. This supports my belief that it’s way more important how the deer react than wether they can detect the odor.

Also your entry and exit impacts what the deer will tolerate. There are so many factors involved which contributes to why the issue is so wildly debated.

You can not beat a deers nose. But if you present a level of odor that is not immediately alarming to the deer than that is a positive outcome for a hunter.
 
For me I think one of the main factors when it comes to scent control is how much a person sweats. @Nutterbuster and I spent some time in the woods this past weekend and after a short 30-minute walk through the woods, and at a very slow pace to check on a hog trap, I was completely drenched from the top of my shirt all the way down to my waistline. Nutterbuster had just a few small rings of sweat starting to develop around his neck line and on his chest. So obviously nutterbuster's ability to control his scent due to the lack of sweat versus my profuse amount of sweat would make a big difference in my opinion especially when it came to maintaining carbon suits. There's no way I can make a single hunt without having to wash it. Washing reduces effectiveness. Scent control may be more difficult for some people just based one's ability to sweat less or produce less odor. I guess in the end it's really just about how much time and money you're willing to spend on scent control. Some of us don't want to spend any time or money on it others are willing the devote much more of the two. Whatever floats your boat and makes you happy in the woods is what you should do my opinion. If something you're doing makes hunting unenjoyable why would you continue to do it?
 
For me I think one of the main factors when it comes to scent control is how much a person sweats. @Nutterbuster and I spent some time in the woods this past weekend and after a short 30-minute walk through the woods, and at a very slow pace to check on a hog trap, I was completely drenched from the top of my shirt all the way down to my waistline. Nutterbuster had just a few small rings of sweat starting to develop around his neck line and on his chest. So obviously nutterbuster's ability to control his scent due to the lack of sweat versus my profuse amount of sweat would make a big difference in my opinion especially when it came to maintaining carbon suits. There's no way I can make a single hunt without having to wash it. Washing reduces effectiveness. Scent control may be more difficult for some people just based one's ability to sweat less or produce less odor. I guess in the end it's really just about how much time and money you're willing to spend on scent control. Some of us don't want to spend any time or money on it others are willing the devote much more of the two. Whatever floats your boat and makes you happy in the woods is what you should do my opinion. If something you're doing makes hunting unenjoyable why would you continue to do it?

Good points. I remember listening to a podcast where Dan Infalt said he was dripping with sweat this one particular hunt and a deer came directly down wind and never picked up his nose. I think he even dropped milkweed and it was hitting the deers body. He was shocked and said maybe it had something to do with him being so wet. He proceeded to say something about a lot of the scent comes from dry skin flakes floating down wind etc. That would make sense if he was so wet, he would be retaining those dry skin flakes.

Just some details about extreme scent control. One of the steps you would take is to not have dry skin and to use no fragrance lotion after you shower, especially on your face.

Does it work? Who knows! I went to the most extreme measures of scent control one season. I will say I shot one of my biggest bucks and I did feel like a deer magnet that year. I had four deer come directly down wind one hunt, lead doe, a doe and two yearlings. Milkweed going directly towards them while they were 100-200 yards away. I thought they were going to bust me for sure. The lead doe didn’t end up picking her nose up until around 40 yards from me, and was definitely “drinking in my scent”. They ended up bedding down in some thick cover 40 yards behind me.

My thoughts - she ended up smelling me and thinking I was on the neighboring property. I guess she decided to bed down and wait the smell out thinking they were at a safe distance.

Just my two “scents”
 
Regardless of where you stand on the scent control topic , I think we all agree the deer's biggest advantage for survival is his nose. It's all of our primary goal to defect detection via our scent. The following is description of my "scent control" practices in order of importance to me and how I decide how I'm going to sit up on any given day.

1. Wind Direction. First and foremost importance to where/how I plan an ambush. I prefer cross winds or "just off" direction winds to the expected deer travel corridor.
2. Stand Access. I need to be able to approach my setup site from a downwind/crosswind direction without crossing the travel corridor I'm setting up on.
3. Thermals. I try to account for which direction I anticipate the thermals to be moving during the sit. This includes hillsides, openings, water, etc.
4. Stand Height. I will try to get as high as possible without sacrificing the shot opportunities to get my scent cone further up. My ideal height is around 23' (much higher and the shot angle becomes too steep for my comfort) but I will setup lower if the cover and/or shooting opportunities dictate it.
5. Rubber boots. I must admit I'm pretty fanatical about my boots. I NEVER handle the outside of a pair of rubber hunting boots with my hands below the top couple of inches necessary to pull them on. To get them off I use one boot on the heel of the other and before I fully remove the first one I use my toes through the boot to step on the heel of the other then kick them both off. I also NEVER wear hunting boots ANYWHERE but in the woods. This includes the truck. I put them on at the tailgate before I walk in and take them off at the tailgate when I get back.
6. Unscented hygiene products. I've spent most of my time hunting remote from home in a popup camper for the last 15 years. That translates to no showers for 3-4 days. One thing I've noticed, I am much more likely to get detected and snorted at on day one than I am on day three. The added fragrances of most of our hygiene products seem to me, at least where I hunt, to be prime indicators for deer that a human is present. I always brush my teeth as well, just before I suit up for the hike in.
7. Scent control clothing: If it gives me one or two extra steps before I get located I'll take it. Do I rely on it . . . nope, that's why its number 7 but I'll take any possible advantage it might provide.
 
Compared to most of you here on the platform, I'm a rookie hunter with only about 5 seasons under my belt. Like @Bowmanmike, I grew up in Germany, where hunting is not as accessible to the regular population as it is here in the US. Here are a couple of my observations in the last 5 years.

- I'm using leather boots most of the time, either Timberland light hiking boots or laced up snake boots. When processing my deer, I put aside the fat and cook it out to make "deer lard", which I use as leather treatment for the boots and all other leather items for hunting. One evening hunting, I walked a fire lane down to the stand. I had put on my boots at home, had them on in the car and kept them on for the hunt. About 30 minutes later, a doe and two youngens crossed the fire lane and my "scent track". The doe didn't hesitate for a moment, scent checking the trail and calmly moved on without any sign of alarm.

- talking to my doctor who is also a hunter about scent, we agreed on the following on sweating. Fresh sweat on its own does not smell, unless one has had a heavy load garlic or similar in last 24 hours. But then the sweat will have garlic smell. What we call body odor is a result of the protein in the sweat breaking down, which takes about 6 - 8 hours. We all have noticed bo in our arm pits, because there it is warm and the skin can't really air dry. Smell on your forearm, it has rarely bo, even 24 hours after your last shower. So, sweating on the walk in is not so bad, old sweat in your clothing might be the issue here. Ergo, if I go hunting, I take a shower with scent free soap, put on fresh cloth, all washed in scent free detergent and air dried and get into my "hunting truck" which I periodically air bomb with an ozone machine. Outer layers are stored in plastic bins in the car and washed periodically.

- Determining hunting days, I look at the forecast, looking for days where the air pressure is high, humidity is low. I have seen the most deer when I go out at around 8am after a cold night and when the temperature is rising. Watching my milkweed on those mornings, as soon as the air warms up, the thermals kick in and the weed goes up with the wind, what ever direction the wind is blowing. Important is the fact it goes up, not down. Taking thermals into consideration more than wind direction has proven more sightings and hunting success for me. Hunting in the evenings always involves taking thermals into consideration, being aware cooling air goes down and takes your scent to the ground.

- The other morning, I took my GSP out for a walk and play on a nearby field. She usually has no problem to find her dummy bird in tall grass. However, that morning the field had been freshly cut the day before. She had the most difficulties to find the bird dummy, although it was in plain sight. That was the moment when I realized that the dog is not smelling the item, but the disturbance of the smell of the field where the bird dummy hits the ground. The whole filed was disturbed with the mowing. Imagine your lawn in the morning with dew on it. As we humans can see someone walked on the grass because the wet grass is disturbed, the dog, and probably the deer as well, can smell the disturbance on the ground. Only if the disturbance smell is considered a "dangerous" smell, the deer spooks. So in the case of my leather boots, she smelled the disturbance, but it did not register as a dangerous one.

Doing all of the above after picking up Saddlehunting in 2018 was the ticket. I love the mobility, flexibility and freedom of walking the woods, looking for signs and picking a tree with good cover with my little set of knowledge and experience. Hunters up north deal with different challenges as we down here in the south. I guess there is no "one approach works for all" solution. But we can take this site to share experiences and knowledge so we all can learn and through trial and error, become better hunter.

Cheers!
 
@denots, I was in awe of your ability to survive extreme heat and humidity. I'd go naked before I wore heavy leather boots, cotton long-sleeve shirts, and heavy cotton work pants.

I have gone back and forth on scent control. Currently, I put it in the same category as aliens. Do they? Don't they? Do I give a fig?

Nah

I know if you hunt where the deer are (getting that one tattooed, @huck72412) you can kill them. Might miss out on a few that smell you, and you might shoot a few while they're trying to pinpoint you, but I'd rather be stinky in a good spot than odor-free in a spot I just randomly chose because I wasted all my time and energy researching the difference between absorption and adsorption.

Case in point, that pig I killed at denots' place. Came out downwind, and most likely would have spooked in the next 60 seconds like the doe that came out before her. But by the time they hit my scent cloud they were within murderin' range.
 
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