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Ethics?

denots said:
I was being facetious with my comment more than anything but that being said I wouldn't be mad about them being in my stand or even hunting the area. We all have rights to said property. But if that's the only stand I have to hunt, as in Louisiana you're only allowed to leave one stand on public land, or the only climber I have, I'm not hunting off the ground so they can hunt out of my stuff. They can have the area but they're going to unass my stand. To me it becomes more of a respect thing at that point. And if you don't have respect for me to get out of my stand so I can take it elsewhere to hunt out of it, I'm not going to have the respect for the tree that it's in and cut it down. I leave my car parked on public roads that we all pay for all the time doesn't give anybody to write to jumping it whenever they feel the need. And that goes for whether I lock it or not.

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I hear you but in TN they don’t have to leave. Are you going to get in a gun fight over your stand? You both standing there with rifles.


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Nutterbuster said:
For academic purposes, what if there's a pile of corn in front of said ladderstand? Hypothetically, does that change the protocol? Asking for a friend.:tonguewink:
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well here we'd call the warden and park them in with out truck because baiting of any kind is illegal...
Walked into someone at our farm hunting OUR posted land without permission with a 5gallon bucket of corn several years ago. That didnt go well. LEt's just say it involved a full size caterpillar backhoe, the guys mid size dakota, a drainage ditch on the farm, the warden....maybe a little bit of manure...
 
ImThere said:
I hear you but in TN they don’t have to leave. Are you going to get in a gun fight over your stand? You both standing there with rifles.


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I don't know, and we're only speaking hypotheticals and opinions anyway. I'm just expressing that to me it's a respect thing. I can understand getting in the same tree or even climbing up in someones stand. I think if you get there first and you're already hunting in the area the later person to arrive should concede the area to the other person. Should be quiet and respectfully move on. But if it is the only stand I own or have in the woods and I politely asked you to let me have my stand so I can take it elsewhere to hunt I would expect you to get out the tree. For all that person knows, or doesn't know, I'm trying to pack up my only stand because I'm not hunting there anymore for the rest of the year and trying to go home. Are we going to have a gunfight at that point I don't know but when it comes to my personal property that my hard-earned dollars paid for if I asked you to give it to me and you tell me you don't have to, I'm just saying I'm going to have a really bad problem with that. I treat people how I want to be treated when somebody does me like that I have a severe problem with it. In your instance in Tennessee where you're allowed to put 30 stands up I think you'd be being an ******* to demand somebody get out of one stand when you had 29 others to choose from. I choose to saddle hunt so none of this becomes an issue for me.

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After not hunting public land for 12 years or so, during the last two years I've had to resume hunting public ground. In a number of IL public areas they now allow a hunter to hang one stand and leave it all season. Some guys seem to think that gives them "rights" to that spot, no matter what the law says.

Case in point, I was climbing a tree for an afternoon hunt and getting ready to place my third stick when a guy comes by and waves. I look around and through the brushy thicket see him climbing up a tree not more than 70 yards away into what is apparently a previously placed stand. Unfortunately, he was directly upwind of me so rather than finish my setup I quickly relocated. Sadly, he is the type of selfish slob that spoils hunting on public land. Now, if I would have seen his stand, I suppose that "legally" I could have occupied it (or set up in the tree next to it) but just because it's legal doesn't mean it's ethical.

If more public land hunters would be more respectful to other hunters and give each other a wide berth when setting up, we could all have a much more enjoyable experience. Sadly, there are way too many of these selfish slobs. The golden rule seems to be a lost concept.
 
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Vtbow said:
well here we'd call the warden and park them in with out truck because baiting of any kind is illegal...
Walked into someone at our farm hunting OUR posted land without permission with a 5gallon bucket of corn several years ago. That didnt go well. LEt's just say it involved a full size caterpillar backhoe, the guys mid size dakota, a drainage ditch on the farm, the warden....maybe a little bit of manure...
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Sounds like a YouTube video I'd watch...
 
denots said:
I don't know, and we're only speaking hypotheticals and opinions anyway. I'm just expressing that to me it's a respect thing. I can understand getting in the same tree or even climbing up in someones stand. I think if you get there first and you're already hunting in the area the later person to arrive should concede the area to the other person. Should be quiet and respectfully move on. But if it is the only stand I own or have in the woods and I politely asked you to let me have my stand so I can take it elsewhere to hunt I would expect you to get out the tree. For all that person knows, or doesn't know, I'm trying to pack up my only stand because I'm not hunting there anymore for the rest of the year and trying to go home. Are we going to have a gunfight at that point I don't know but when it comes to my personal property that my hard-earned dollars paid for if I asked you to give it to me and you tell me you don't have to, I'm just saying I'm going to have a really bad problem with that. I treat people how I want to be treated when somebody does me like that I have a severe problem with it. In your instance in Tennessee where you're allowed to put 30 stands up I think you'd be being an ******* to demand somebody get out of one stand when you had 29 others to choose from. I choose to saddle hunt so none of this becomes an issue for me.

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So at what point does it become "abandoned" property? Just curious, not trying to stir the pot.... If you chain your bike to a stop sign or even a bike rack here too long in the city(publicly owned and maintained sidewalk), the cops will come cut it off and take it as unclaimed property. You're impeding the use of that bike rack/stop sign(tree?) for someone else.....

we also have a law that duck blinds have to be removed by a certain date or you will be fined--they also have to be labeled with your name and current address and contact info(as do treestands on public where it is legal, and it has to be legible from the ground!)
 
Nutterbuster said:
For academic purposes, what if there's a pile of corn in front of said ladderstand? Hypothetically, does that change the protocol? Asking for a friend.:tonguewink:
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funny that you say that, several years ago I went to hunt my one of my stands, just out of dumb blind luck I noticed something different about the stand. I walked away and hunted another spot on the other side of the field. I watched the game warden show up on cue about daylight looking for me. After I finished hunting I walked over to my stand and looked around someone had poured corn all around it they must have wasted 100#. When I got back to my truck the warden was sitting there and had a ton of questions for me, I know him well so I asked my own questions. He had got an anonymous tip about some baiting going on. He knew it was a set up, I knew it was a set up. He told me I couldn't hunt my own stand until the corn was gone plus 10 days.
in TN They have made it where a tree stand has to be occupied every 24 hrs. they cannot be just left out anymore.

heck with a few dollars worth of stands I could go to Il and have a huge piece of public land to hunt all to myself. If no one will hunt my stands or an area where I put one
 
Just came across this in our Michigan Hunting Digest:
"Your name on a tree stand or ground blind on public land does not guarantee exclusive use." (page 23)
 
Vtbow said:
So at what point does it become "abandoned" property? Just curious, not trying to stir the pot.... If you chain your bike to a stop sign or even a bike rack here too long in the city(publicly owned and maintained sidewalk), the cops will come cut it off and take it as unclaimed property. You're impeding the use of that bike rack/stop sign(tree?) for someone else.....

we also have a law that duck blinds have to be removed by a certain date or you will be fined--they also have to be labeled with your name and current address and contact info(as do treestands on public where it is legal, and it has to be legible from the ground!)
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If it's legally tagged with your name and address on it and you can prove it your property and you want to remove it from an area then you should be allowed to do so. I'm not speaking about abandoned property and I'm not even speaking about telling a guy he's got to get off your stand so you can hunt that area. I'm more specifically speaking about someone telling you they are not going to get out of your stand so you can remove it. I don't care if it's a climber or a box and you're fixing to disassemble. I may have been hunting that piece of land for the past week and came in the woods late specifically that morning with the intent to tearing down my set so I can leave. You're not going to tell me I'm not allowed to do that because you feel like hunting in my stuff. You can stay in it if you want, but I wouldn't recommend it

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denots said:
If it's legally tagged with your name and address on it and you can prove it your property and you want to remove it from an area then you should be allowed to do so. I'm not speaking about abandoned property and I'm not even speaking about telling a guy he's got to get off your stand so you can hunt that area. I'm more specifically speaking about someone telling you they are not going to get out of your stand so you can remove it. I don't care if it's a climber or a box and you're fixing to disassemble. I may have been hunting that piece of land for the past week and came in the woods late specifically that morning with the intent to tearing down my set so I can leave. You're not going to tell me I'm not allowed to do that because you feel like hunting in my stuff. You can stay in it if you want, but I wouldn't recommend it

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I think the sticking point here is "Legally Tagged" :) I've pulled at least 4 summit climbers of MY posted property in the last 2 years. they were locked. not a single one had a name on it(not that it would have mattered, though I might have called so they could pick it up on the side of the road, as opposed to it going in the recyclig... On public if your names ont on it, you're asking for it...
 
Vtbow said:
I think the sticking point here is "Legally Tagged" :) I've pulled at least 4 summit climbers of MY posted property in the last 2 years. they were locked. not a single one had a name on it(not that it would have mattered, though I might have called so they could pick it up on the side of the road, as opposed to it going in the recyclig... On public if your names ont on it, you're asking for it...
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I'm only talking about stands on public access not posted land. I would never agree with anybody hunting on somebody else's posted land and then getting upset that somebody removed or used their stand. And that incense it should have never been there in the first place tagged or not. Besides I don't know any trespassers who leave their phone number and address for the landowner to find.

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You know a lot of our opinions are going to be based off of where we hunt. Some states may require you to tag your stand to leave it on public access others may not. Do local laws affect our opinion on situations? I think it does. We may have to agree to disagree just based off of geographical location.

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denots said:
You know a lot of our opinions are going to be based off of where we hunt. Some states may require you to tag your stand to leave it on public access others may not. Do local laws affect our opinion on situations? I think it does. We may have to agree to disagree just based off of geographical location.

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Extremely good point given the the major differences in state/local regs. So many of these situations are well...situational as well!
 
Hunted public all my life in 4 states, never hunted someone's stand, but I would never put up a obvious stand for all to see as I dont want to draw attention to wear I'm hunting. But everyone and region is different so if it's legal and you have had success, have at it, but dont be upset if someone takes you up on your hard work. This is the environment that is popular right now.

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We've used public stands we know are there when we do drives in rifle. Far as I'm concerned if you leave it up on public tying up a good tree its fair game when vacant.
 
I would not hunt in another's stand. If no one is in it, I might hunt near it. Last year a guy had a fit that I was near his stand. He had no intention of using it, just thought I should not be there. I let him know he could piss off!
His attitude and actions to purposely ruin my hunt is illegal in NH. It's called hunter harrsment.
 
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