Is it our job to stop natural extinction situation?

[Jammintree]

The species we are most endangering is ourselves. We are a fragile lot. For our all of our alleged intelligence we cant seem to understand or care that by hurting all things we are hurting ourselves.

Which is why the ops question is so great. We need to think about the relationships between all things and start to recognize the substantial impacts that we have and can have. We were not destined to destroy the earth. We have the capacity to help all things thrive again.

 

[neonomad]

I was thinking I saw somewhere that ants and humans had roughly equal biomass...Lots more ants than humans.

To clarify, just talking land mammals not insects. But there’s a whole other can of worms, insect populations are plunging, maybe not ants though.

 

[neonomad]

The species we are most endangering is ourselves. We are a fragile lot. For our all of our alleged intelligence we cant seem to understand or care that by hurting all things we are hurting ourselves.

Which is why the ops question is so great. We need to think about the relationships between all things and start to recognize the substantial impacts that we have and can have. We were not destined to destroy the earth. We have the capacity to help all things thrive again.

That’s what is so darn frustrating, to have the capacity to do so much better, while just about every big metric says we are not.

Post gets me to thinking too, pretty sure mule deer are in long term decline… if that were to continue I don’t think I’d vote to “let it happen”. I’d bet in most cases with most endangered species if we peel away the onion for awhile we’re a leading factor in the decline.

 

[Jammintree]

Haha! Nature doesn't stand a chance? I think in the end it will be the other way

To clarify, just talking land mammals not insects. But there’s a whole other can of worms, insect populations are plunging, maybe not ants though.

Amphibians are also plummeting. Their skin absorbs the chemicals that have spread into every ecosystem in the world.

We really can do better. There’s no reason not to.

 

[SNIPERBBB]

Needs to be more seasons on raptors.

 

[Weldabeast]

 

[SNIPERBBB]

havent heard that one in a while. one of the radio shows, pat grey unleashed, used to play that fairly often

 

[Wlog]

I don’t really know how to have a meaningful discussion on this topic or express an opinion without this post turning into a book.

This kind of topic discussed on an Internet forum has the potential to be a major collision of worldviews and philosophy.

 

[Jammintree]

I don’t really know how to have a meaningful discussion on this topic or express an opinion without this post turning into a book.

This kind of topic discussed on an Internet forum has the potential to be a major collision of worldviews and philosophy.

Something I love about this forum is that we generally do a pretty good job of maintaining respect for eachother and different viewpoints. I hope the worldview I’ve presented in my posts is not offensive to you.

 

[Wlog]

Something I love about this forum is that we generally do a pretty good job of maintaining respect for eachother and different viewpoints. I hope the worldview I’ve presented in my posts is not offensive to you.

Not offended at all in any way. It’s a good topic.

As the species on this planet that has the ability to reason and think beyond the next 5 minutes, I do think we have the responsibility to be the caretakers of this gift we’ve been given.

 

[HuumanCreed]

Not offended at all in any way. It’s a good topic.

As the species on this planet that has the ability to reason and think beyond the next 5 minutes, I do think we have the responsibility to be the caretakers of this gift we’ve been given.

Ok, this is a very good point and I'm changing my stand. I read somewhere human and beavers are the only 2 species on Earth that change their environment to make their own habitats, all over species learn to adapt to their surrounding. We have changed the Earth so much that most likely any environmental changes was sourced back to us. We took it upon ourselves to dominate so it is our responsibility to be caretakers also. We have cause extinction before, so when situations that arise that we CAN help with stopping extinctions, we can't stand by and do nothing by saying 'well its not OUR fault'. Step up and do what you can since overall in the ledger of Mother Earth, we're deep in the red.

This is not about playing gods or deciding which species are allow to live and die. And honestly its also a beauty contest, its easier to fund raise to save 'spotted owls' then to save 'spotted bug'. Plus we have been doing this in regards to hunting quotas, each region base their limits on population control. That's why @GCTerpfan is always bitter about how many deer he can hunt compared to his eastern neighbors.

There are a lot other aspects but I'm accepting its not a simple issue as I assumed.

 

[Fgirtyman]

I wish Dinosaurs hadn't gone extinct. I always wanted to know what it would be like hunting a T-Rex. lol. I think I would have to get higher than 20 feet up. As for the owls, I think mankind should mind their own darn business and let Mother nature do what Mother nature does. Mankind is so arrogant anyways thinking we can control nature and weather and such. Just my 2 cents. Oh also, when does our government actually get something right anyways?

I've thought about starting a Go Fund Me program to save the dinosaurs.
Hmmm... there's a money maker!

 

[PEEJAY]

There isn't enough money on earth you could pay me to shoot an owl. My little bros helped me kill more turkeys than anything else.

Even more than your shotgun?

 

[neonomad]

Not at all intending to cross the threshold of ‘political’ because I don’t see this as political I just see it as ecological math… and before the thread gets too upbeat. Should we be the stewards of our environment? Yes!

Will we be, en masse? No, we will not.

In pockets, sure (think the recovery of whitetail deer, although let’s see what CWD does over the next 100 years). The economy and extraction increased by orders of magnitude since 1900, and the plan is to keep growing that forever. As we metabolize more, increasing compromises by other metabolizing creatures must be made. Until I see big data headed in a better direction, I’ll place my money on “it will get worse before it gets better.”

 

[woodsdog2]

I don't know, I think we're doing a pretty good job for the most part. In my little area of concern in terms of what my 40+ years of hunting, fishing and trapping have showed me is we certainly have Many more Deer, more turkey (sans from 2007 to present somewhat of a decline but still many more than before still), more bald eagles, more predators, more bears, more rabbits, more squirrels, less muskrats, more beaver, more grouse and woodcock, more bluebirds, way, way, way more geese.... I think overall we're doing a pretty good job. I think the environmental focus has to be less on consumption of game species and much, much, much more on habitat loss.