Keto - If you're a saddle hunter, I think you'll dig it.

[Robert]

What’s the best information or lists of food y’all can give me. Where to go on the net for clarity?

Visit Mark's Daily Apple website. The best book I can recommend is "Primal Body, Primal Mind". Think if it as a long winded manual to understand and operate your body as it applies to nutrition and physiology. An easy primer for single ingredient lifestyle eating is Sarah Fraggasso's Everyday Paleo.

I wont derail this thread by talking about all of the disease ( diabetes, psoriasis, depression, hair loss, excess body fat, high blood pressure, arthritis, Chrohn's, Hashimoto's, reflux, to name a few) I have PERSONALLY seen cured or reduced symptomology of enough to make a significant change in the person's life by a change in nutrition intake. Feel free to PM me and Ill spill what I know. Long story short, a plan is better than no plan. Second, processed foods are poison, though they do not immediatly cause death, just progressive impairment at some level with continued consumption.

Keto, Primal, Paleo, Cyclic Ketogenic ( some of the best fat loss I have seen in heavier folks) are all fantastic, and just different flavors of a single ingredient based diet without sugars.

 

[Robert]

A follow up question for you pros out there, IF and WHEN you have a cheat meal or a couple beers, what's your opinion on how quickly you get back into ketosis? In your experience, does a couple beers on the weekend kick you out of ketosis if you're strict with carb intake otherwise?

This depends on a variety of factors. Getting back into ketosis depends on your individual metabolism, how long one is out of ketosis, and how much sugar you ate in excess of what you body can process at the time consumed. All excess energy is stored. All excess energy stored as sugar has to be used in order to regain ketosis. Activity level and type of activity drastically affects time out of ketosis as well.

If you do go off of ketosis from food, that is different than from alcohol because alcohol changes the hormones involved. Getting out of ketosis by eating is best overcome with as much water as possible and working out in a manner in which maximizes carbohydrate consumption using the glycolitic pathway, ie burning a lot of sugar.

 

[Robert]

I have a sister who is a licensed fitness instructor, and a good friend who has lost 147lbs (not a typo) on keto. I'm familiar with the information that's out there, and I'm not denying keto's effectiveness.

My only caveat is that there's more than one way to skin a cat. Controlled, healthy weight loss in general is proven to have numerous positive impacts on overall health. And if you ate 4,000 keto calories a day and never exercised, you wouldn't magically lose weight and feel better.

As OP mentioned, keto is restrictive. Humans are omnivores, and can live healthy lives on a variety of diets. Cutting out all carbs is a rather extreme way to achieve something that can arguably be done in a simpler way. It's relatively easy to drastically improve upon the average SAD diet. Eat less junk, eat more veggies, put the fork down, and move a little.

I'm always happy to see people improving their health. We all only have one body, and when it's done; game over. If keto works for somebody I dont want to stand in the way.

But I do think there's a touch of "fad" to the keto thing. Nutrition studies are notoriously inaccurate, since you can't exactly shove people in a box and feed them through a slot over a 20 year period. I don't think the official stance towards keto will change over time, I know it will.

Fat used to be "bad." My great grandmother was put on a no fat diet, and developed early-onset Alzheimer's. Now the generally accepted theorem is that the brain needs fat. Moderation could have prevented a very slow and painful death for her. I sincerely hope high protein, low carb diets do not have similar long-term affects.

Agreed! Stop the SAD diet, and dont get caught up in marketing. Find a plan you can stick to, then consistently improve upon it,

 

[Robert]

That's what I was thinking. Where do you try to keep your carbs? I see some folks say under 50, some under 25, and some say its unique to each person.

Depends on how much carbohydrate intake your individual body is used to, your metabolism, etc. Activity level greatly affects carbohydrate metabolism.

 

[dalton916]

 

[Robert]

I would encourage you to have some before and after blood work done. We, my coworkers and I, were following the KETO lifestyle for a few months. We had our annual physicals and I believe I'm the only one who's blood work improved. The others had all kinds of cholesterol issues (to be read sky high!). I believe our DNA probably has a ton to do with how we should eat. But I refuse to have it tested because I think the government is collecting the results too. Yes, I know. Conspiracy...

That being said, I struggled with not being able to eat certain fruits and vegetables due to the sugars and carbs. I believe the good Lord designed those foods to be eaten, in moderation, without ill effects. I feel if it's natural and edible then I'm in. So, I'm subscribing to more of a paleo lifestyle rather than Keto. High protein, fats, fruits and vegetables. Low to no carbs, low to no dairy, and as little processed food as possible. Basically I stay away from the inside aisles of the grocery store.

It's not easy. It takes time to cook and my family isn't always on board with my meal prep. But then again they're teenagers and an adult wife. If you're hungry then find something else. That's where I'm at now.

Again, I encourage you to check with your doctor before and during this lifestyle change. Also, don't forget to add that exercise. Just eating fat and protein will make you fat!

-Jeremy

A word of caution regarding blood lipid panels and triglycerides. Anyone who is currently losing a significant amount of body fat is going to have elevated levels during this time. We don't "burn" fat off our bodies, we consume it as energy. Losing a pound of fat means you ingested that pound of human fat off of your body, Levels will be temporarily elevated.

 

[Robert]

Dr Berg has a video on this cholesterol part… cholesterol is not the problem people there's a lot of scientific evidence that the doctors got it wrong, it is the calcification in the veins that causes the problem.

Agreed, cholesterol is a marker of inflammation. Cholesterol is also what all of our hormones such as testosterone is made from. All of our nerve ending are coated with it, as is much of our brains. Low cholesterol can be detrimental to one's health. There is much misinformation out there on statins, cholesterol, fats etc.

 

[bigjoe]

Keto, Adkins any low carb diet that puts your body in ketosis will burn fat. Some people need to be more strict than others. 20 grams of net carbs vs another who can eat 50 carbs.

This biggest problem out there is processed foods, with hybrid corns and corn syrups in everything. @bigdave1691 drinking your craft beers is better for you the. The mass produced beers that use corn syrup to stabilize and flavor them. Yup, coors, michelob, Budweiser etc all use corn syrup. Ever wonder why a mass produced beer tastes the same on the East Coast as it does in the Midwest. The waters are different, grains do not come from the same fields.

Sierra Nevada is one of the few mass produced beers that has no corn syrup in it, but still has carbs.

A shot of alcohol ie bourbon, scotch etc has 0 carbs. However, different alcohols do have sugars.

Your body does need carbs, however not fast carbs that is in all the garbage out there today. Slow carbs like @DaveT1963 eats nuts, berries etc are great for you. Your body uses them differently, still allows your body to stay in a state of ketosis burning fat for energy.

Another thing most guys over look is having a 1/2cup to a cup of legumes every day. Another source of slow carbs and protein. Great source of fiber.

You still need to watch your caloric intake. You still need to burn off more than you take in. A lot of people go in the keto diet and think they can eat as much as they want.

 

[wesfromky]

Wired to eat by Robb Wolf is a pretty good read, he also has a podcast and some blog posts. Being fat adapted really helped during the rut this year - I could eat breakfast at 4:00AM, and be fine with not eating until lunch at 2:00PM.

https://robbwolf.com/wiredtoeat/

 

[jlh42581]

I eat about 90% paleo. Most people are not built well for a keto diet and if you dont go full bore into it you are likely to pack on fat rather than lose it, it is after all a high fat diet. Where I cheat on paleo is I will eat dairy in extreme moderation but I prefer to do it with active cultures like keifr or yogurt.

Keto has definite benefits for certain people done right. Me, I completely adjusted my lifestyle to eating better and doing exercise, staying in a keto state with my lifestyle would be extremely hard.

 

[onestringer]

On keto since April. I lost 60 lbs.

Eat a lot of venison burgers with cheese and ranch dressing.

Snacks I make pecans and walnuts with dill, powdered garlic, salt and ranch seasoning mixed with melted butter. Bake for 5 minutes. Delicious. Also eat a lot of eggs. I don’t feel any different mainly cause I didn’t feel bad before. I just wasn’t gonna buy bigger pants.




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[rutjr]

Agreed, cholesterol is a marker of inflammation. Cholesterol is also what all of our hormones such as testosterone is made from. All of our nerve ending are coated with it, as is much of our brains. Low cholesterol can be detrimental to one's health. There is much misinformation out there on statins, cholesterol, fats etc.

So I've been on Keto since Feb. 15th 2018. I had a doctors appointment three weeks ago and he said I have high cholesterol and put me on Atorvastatin. I don't like taking stuff so I haven't taken this. I was thinking that I would wait until my next appointment and see how it is then. Thoughts?

 

[N1ChBryant]

cant say but research statins and neg side effects sir.

 

[N1ChBryant]

Just remember, this same medical community also said low fat and vegetable oils were better for us than meat. Science shows that this conclusion came from 0 fact and has contributed to more cancer and heart disease than ever before.

Govt guidelines and big food companies have killed more people than small pox......

 

[fbwguy]

So I've been on Keto since Feb. 15th 2018. I had a doctors appointment three weeks ago and he said I have high cholesterol and put me on Atorvastatin. I don't like taking stuff so I haven't taken this. I was thinking that I would wait until my next appointment and see how it is then. Thoughts?

How high? When in Ketosis that can happen but if you really research cholesterol it’s not as bad as DRs make it out to be. I e hovered around 200 to 220 all my life, even when I was active duty and in great shape. Dr’s always trying to put me on statin drugs. Ain’t having any of it. Finally found a Dr that really researched it and told me I’m fine

 

[Tjraley2]

@Robert I'm not sure what you do for a living, but your info is legit.

And thanks to everyone for all the help. I will be jumping in with both feet here in a few day. All the resources you guys have mentioned have proven really helpful.

 

[Robert]

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So I've been on Keto since Feb. 15th 2018. I had a doctors appointment three weeks ago and he said I have high cholesterol and put me on Atorvastatin. I don't like taking stuff so I haven't taken this. I was thinking that I would wait until my next appointment and see how it is then. Thoughts?

When I was still in my 20s, and active in MMA competition ( and teaching personal training and Olympic weightlifting full time, and eating 95%Paleo) I had a DR try to tell me that I needed to be on cholesterol meds WITHOUT doing blood work first. I was about 5%-7% body fat and in the best shape of my life. LOL! She saw me shirtless and still referred back to her BMI chart to see that I was overweight for my height. (235 @ 6'2'') She also was obese herself. I started my own medical education then. I would suggest reading up on what cholesterol actually is, and what problems you are trying to solve with medication.

I read up on the Pima indians, and the Inuit as it relates to cholesterol studies. How cholesterol and cholesterol meds work differently in men than in women.

Im no doctor. It is my opinion that the doctors most people see are the incorrect ones for the issues they are trying to solve. Everything looks like a nail to a hammer. Nothing wrong with your (or any) doc per se, I only wanted to highlight that a doctor of internal medicine is educated in prescribing medicine is all. You may need it. But you may not. The opinion of a guy online (me) should not be taken for medical advice. MD's education is not specifically in making people healthier, it is in prescribing chemicals. Chemicals are needed sometimes and cannot be replaced through other means.

Training doctors as clients for personal training highlighted how little many internal medicine doctors know about nutrition, human movement, strength, exercise etc. to me personally. This is not to nock doctors, they do wonders when their knowledge is needed, and they know way, way more than I. But they are not all knowing. Only you are ultimately responsible for your health.

A second opinion from another physician may be your best bet.

There are also independent labs you could go to that have much more in depth blood work and services you may use without prescription needed. There, you may get a full analysis, and not just the opinion of a physician who may or may not have updated their knowledge on nutrition, and current science since graduating. I tend to trust more when the person doing my evaluation has nothing to gain financially or otherwise from steering me into chemical modification (medicine).

 

[Robert]

How high? When in Ketosis that can happen but if you really research cholesterol it’s not as bad as DRs make it out to be. I e hovered around 200 to 220 all my life, even when I was active duty and in great shape. Dr’s always trying to put me on statin drugs. Ain’t having any of it. Finally found a Dr that really researched it and told me I’m fine

exactly

 

[Robert]

@Robert I'm not sure what you do for a living, but your info is legit.

And thanks to everyone for all the help. I will be jumping in with both feet here in a few day. All the resources you guys have mentioned have proven really helpful.

LOL, thanks brother. Im an engineering student now. I used to teach personal training to personal trainers, groups and individuals. I have personally seen a lot of success implementing plans other trainers much better than I was created for me. Over time, I have developed my own opinions of many of the subject matters others find confusing and worked out a system that I found to be productive.

 

[rutjr]

I don't like popping pills, I don't like doctors! When I was a kid I got an abscess under my arm next thing I know I was in Boston Floating Hospital. A team of doctors were at my bedside every morning asking questions, putting tubes up my nose, pumping my stomach, sticking needles in my back. They thought I had Tuberculous, cat scratch disease and others. I cried to my mother and told her they were just using me for a Guinea pig. She went to the head of the board of health and asked if the hospital could keep me against her will and they said no. When my mom took me home they fought her and said I could be contagious. I remember me in my mothers arms and her having a screaming match with the head doctor. You know we never got any type of bill for a two week stay in that hospital! Because of that I don't like doctors. I only go to doctors now because my children beg me to go. I'm almost 66 years old and I guess I should be monitored for my health but I think I need a doctor that will work with me.