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Kind Of A Lopsided Comparison "Saddle vs Stand a real world mobile comparison"

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Dan did make a valid point that's always been in the back of my mind when using a saddle. In a stand you really need both your stand and harness/tether to give out before you fall. In a saddle it's just your tether/bridge keeping you from falling because it's unlikely that you'll catch yourself in time to keep from falling. I know some people double down on tethers and/or bridges for that reason. But I've also heard of at least one person clipping their tether into their belt loop by accident and then it gave out when they leaned back.
 
ive heard of this ONE person too.but that was climbing and not because of the saddle itself .any one with any thing can fall climbing even great arborrist make misteaks eventualy.more hunters are injured or killed from falls out of trees than skydivers and paragliders combined.at least on the east side.out here its off shail rock cliffs..they dont get found just reported missing
 
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Plebe said:
I'm sure Dan enjoyed stirring the pot.

I don't ever remember stand hunters getting so worked up about pro-saddle videos. At least not to the level of contention of this has produced. Those with doubts mostly just write it off.
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I don't think people are getting worked up over the fact the video was pro-stand. They're getting worked up over Dan's deceitfulness in comparing the two. From his 'forgetting' his safety harness to using a new saddle hunter that is scared of heights, It was an obvious attempt to marginalize a competing method of hunting in an attempt to potentially increase sales of his product, while saying the entire time that he was "unbiased". I think people are also taking it a little more personally because Dan has largely been considered to be "above" all the industry and marketing BS.

I personally like what I know about Dan and have learned a lot from him and his website, and there is no arguing that he is a deer killer. But, with this video I think people are coming to the realization that he is now a deer killer with his own hunting products and is part of the 'industry' like many others.
 
BuffaloBill said:
Dan did make a valid point that's always been in the back of my mind when using a saddle. In a stand you really need both your stand and harness/tether to give out before you fall. In a saddle it's just your tether/bridge keeping you from falling because it's unlikely that you'll catch yourself in time to keep from falling. I know some people double down on tethers and/or bridges for that reason. But I've also heard of at least one person clipping their tether into their belt loop by accident and then it gave out when they leaned back.
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if for some strange reason a tether or bridge breaks that company shouldnt be making terd popcickles
 
GCTerpfan said:
I don't think people are getting worked up over the fact the video was pro-stand. They're getting worked up over Dan's deceitfulness in comparing the two. From his 'forgetting' his safety harness to using a new saddle hunter that is scared of heights, It was an obvious attempt to marginalize a competing method of hunting in an attempt to potentially increase sales of his product, while saying the entire time that he was "unbiased". I think people are also taking it a little more personally because Dan has largely been considered to be "above" all the industry and marketing BS.

I personally like what I know about Dan and have learned a lot from him and his website, and there is no arguing that he is a deer killer. But, with this video I think people are coming to the realization that he is now a deer killer with his own hunting products and is part of the 'industry' like many others.
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1000 percent
 
i havent used anny of the tree saddles on the market and never will.so i have nothing to compair to.but iff i where a gamblr.i would say the overwatch is the nicest piece of gear you can purchase.dont know who makes it .but i also havnt heard of them making disshonest bias videos to push there product.this was fake news at its fullest felt compleatly staged
 
GCTerpfan said:
I don't think people are getting worked up over the fact the video was pro-stand. They're getting worked up over Dan's deceitfulness in comparing the two. From his 'forgetting' his safety harness to using a new saddle hunter that is scared of heights, It was an obvious attempt to marginalize a competing method of hunting in an attempt to potentially increase sales of his product, while saying the entire time that he was "unbiased". I think people are also taking it a little more personally because Dan has largely been considered to be "above" all the industry and marketing BS.

I personally like what I know about Dan and have learned a lot from him and his website, and there is no arguing that he is a deer killer. But, with this video I think people are coming to the realization that he is now a deer killer with his own hunting products and is part of the 'industry' like many others.
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This is prefect.
 
@Nutterbuster I am worried about you buddy, straying so far from the path of the enlightened tree hunter, and even convincing those of our order to join you. Coups and assassinations have occurred over smaller offenses. I am sure every morning @redsquirrel hovers his pointer finger of the red "BAN" button on his bedside table and then talks himself out of it thinking: "ah he will come around, today is the day! I just know he's gonna finally sell that camp chair"

I look forward to reading your posts on dirthunter.com one day
 
GCTerpfan said:
I don't think people are getting worked up over the fact the video was pro-stand. They're getting worked up over Dan's deceitfulness in comparing the two. From his 'forgetting' his safety harness to using a new saddle hunter that is scared of heights, It was an obvious attempt to marginalize a competing method of hunting in an attempt to potentially increase sales of his product, while saying the entire time that he was "unbiased". I think people are also taking it a little more personally because Dan has largely been considered to be "above" all the industry and marketing BS.

I personally like what I know about Dan and have learned a lot from him and his website, and there is no arguing that he is a deer killer. But, with this video I think people are coming to the realization that he is now a deer killer with his own hunting products and is part of the 'industry' like many others.
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I think there are a variety of reasons folks are revved up. Like I said, I'm sure Dan enjoyed stirring the pot. (Just look at his shirt selection for the video).

To be clear, I never said people are worked up because it is a pro-stand video (some are). I said I've never seen stand hunters so worked up over pro-saddle content. There is plenty of pro-saddle content that oversells saddles and undersells stands too, imo. Wether such content is intentionally deceitful, thoughtless, inconsiderate, or just salsesmanship, IDK. Does it stoop? Does this stoop? Fair or foul? Yes.

It just doesn't move the bar for me. It's not quite pinocchio and the fox.
 
BackSpasm said:
@Nutterbuster I am worried about you buddy, straying so far from the path of the enlightened tree hunter, and even convincing those of our order to join you. Coups and assassinations have occurred over smaller offenses. I am sure every morning @redsquirrel hovers his pointer finger of the red "BAN" button on his bedside table and then talks himself out of it thinking: "ah he will come around, today is the day! I just know he's gonna finally sell that camp chair"

I look forward to reading your posts on dirthunter.com one day
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Fearless Leader actually bought a camp chair. A new power is rising. Embrace it, or face your doom!!
 
Plebe said:
I think there are a variety of reasons folks are revved up. Like I said, I'm sure Dan enjoyed stirring the pot. (Just look at his shirt selection for the video).

To be clear, I never said people are worked up because it is a pro-stand video (some are). I said I've never seen stand hunters so worked up over pro-saddle content. There is plenty of pro-saddle content that oversells saddles and undersells stands too, imo. Wether such content is intentionally deceitful, thoughtless, inconsiderate, or just salsesmanship, IDK. Does it stoop? Does this stoop? Fair or foul? Yes.

It just doesn't move the bar for me. It's not quite pinocchio and the fox.
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I'm with you. It doesn't really move the needle for me. I just rolled my eyes at certain parts of the video and moved on.

There has been plenty of "spirited" conversations about saddle hunting on the Beast. I think the reason your seeing a slightly bigger reaction to this video than most others is a testament to the respect Dan has in the community. Nobody cares when Joe Schmo posts a video overselling the benefits of saddle hunting. And nobody cares when certain companies over-hype their products in an obvious marketing attempt to sell more products. They care when someone they respects does it and claims he isn't.
 
GCTerpfan said:
I'm with you. It doesn't really move the needle for me. I just rolled my eyes at certain parts of the video and moved on.

There has been plenty of "spirited" conversations about saddle hunting on the Beast. I think the reason your seeing a slightly bigger reaction to this video than most others is a testament to the respect Dan has in the community. Nobody cares when Joe Schmo posts a video overselling the benefits of saddle hunting. And nobody cares when certain companies over-hype their products in an obvious marketing attempt to sell more products. They care when someone they respects does it and claims he isn't.
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True.
 
TNSTAAFL said:
@raisins Not picking a fight or shushing. Just interested in the intellectual challenge that this comparison invites.

May I ask, by your logic, if one were to unweight their tether while in a saddle by standing up on their platform (say, like the Mission), does this mean they now would have a 2-layered anti-fall system just like a treestand hunter with a safety harness? This of course assumes that the static fall on the saddle/bridge/tether was within it's breaking strength rating.
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Yep, during that period of time it is similar. I deleted that comment because I have to argue at work all day and don't want to do so here also :)
 
Treestand hunter for 30 years. I was tired of lugging all that metal crap in and out of the woods. Switched to a saddle last two years and ain’t never looking back. Fabric beats metal for sound and weight every time. There’s a lot of “hype” because it’s an awesome way to hunt that is far superior to treestands. Every one of those trees I could have been in with a saddle. What I find funny about this whole video is that the Dan the great public land mobile hunter shot his buck this year on a private farm in a preset treestand over a food plot! Lol!!!
 
tailgunner said:
i could post pics all day of trees you will never get a stand in.whole wilderness full.there are tree as big around as trucks here.had to tether of of branches the size of those trees .you cant hang your stand over your head from a branch.means nothing .all these tools have their.place.just using any kind of climbing gear is rare for me.majority of my sits are in fir trees where i climb the branches and the gap between them is to narrow for any stand.and many time miles from the car.i would like to see anyone cary that picknicktable from luckimute creek to the top of sykes mountain where i harvest my first deer.there are many reasons oregonians dont use stands.its a small comunity here.less in saddles but for this terain people havent learned the opertunity it opens up
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A 7lb 16x29 stand is a picnic table?

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