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Matt Rinella podcast

The_Fit_Ness_Monster said:
I can’t wrap my head around the whole concept of too many people on public land, I’m sure in some states it’s bad, I’ve hear horror stories but in my life I’ve only hunted public land here in Louisiana and continue to do so and I hardly see any people especially early season bow, even if there is a few trucks parked they aren’t where I am. But like I said I’ve heard horror stories from other states.
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I've really only hunted MN and AZ, for small game, deer, bear, and javalina. I've never done a Western elk hunt, and Matt was mostly talking about the crowds of elk hunters he has to contend with. Granted, it seems elk hunting has become a lot more visible over the last 15 or so years, or maybe I'm just more aware of what had always been there.

He also criticized the expense of leases, which I recall us discussing in another recent thread. Ranchers who would in years past permit polite individuals to hunt for free, are now leasing hunting rights to people with money, which in turn increases pressure on public lands. Not sure how you get around that - maybe with more people hunting, state wildlife agencies can expand existing CRP programs and open up more private lands to hunters.... nah, that's crazy talk, we need to convince people to stay inside where they won't hurt my venison critters!
 
Reagan H. said:
The Case Against Hunter Recruitment | MeatEater Hunting (themeateater.com)

MeatEater Founder Steven Rinella Addresses R3 Op-Ed | MeatEater Conservation (themeateater.com)

Here's some more food for thought I found on both takes if anyone's interested.
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From Steve's editorial:
" Some have taken this blind spot in the argument to mean that Matt must be some selfish ******* who hates other hunters."

Wrong or not, that's exactly the way he came across in the podcast I listened to. Leave it to a professional writer to express my opinion more succinctly and efficiently than I could.
 
Iron_llama said:
I listened to an older MeatEater podcast with him a few months back. It was not my favorite.

Some of Matt's critiques of hunting media are spot-on, and I agree with them. He was really hung up on two points:
1: Showing the animals you kill to strangers is apparently immoral, and even more more if you profit from it. Nobody asked him if taxidermy was an immoral act, or if there's an application and vetting process people have to submit to before he shares wild game meat with them, or permits them to bear witness to any taxidermy he may have, or if this moral standing only applies to online behaviors he doesn't participate in.
2: There are too many hunters. So many, that he has to share public land with other hunters. The horror! Clearly, Matt is entitled to be the sole human on any parcel of public land he may wish to grace with his presence. IIRC, he said that 3/4 of current hunters should stop hunting, so he can have the Nation's wild spaces to himself. I might be exaggerating, but very slightly; he came out swinging against hunter recruitment and retention efforts.

I don't know if it was because he was talking to his little brother, but Matt came off as petulant and generally insufferable. I won't be looking for more podcasts featuring him. I'm glad somebody with some platform is critiquing hunting media, but I don't think this guy will be effective, at all.
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Spot freaking on. I've heard him on a podcast once (the same one) and that was one time too many. It really blows my mind to think him and Steve are related. His rants about too many people hunting public land just seem selfish and ignorant. Yes, lets tell people to stop hunting. I'm sure that will help hunting stay around longer. Just idiotic IMO.
 
hokiehunter373 said:
Spot freaking on. I've heard him on a podcast once (the same one) and that was one time too many. It really blows my mind to think him and Steve are related. His rants about too many people hunting public land just seem selfish and ignorant. Yes, lets tell people to stop hunting. I'm sure that will help hunting stay around longer. Just idiotic IMO.
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I seem to recall he made a few comments about how hunting media was encouraging urban and out-of-state hunters to hunt the parcels in rural Montana he hunts. I was like... dude, you're from Michigan, should you follow your own advice and stay in the Midwest, and just hunt deer and bear and turkey, and leave elk to the 'real westerners' who you seem to think are entitled to not have to share?

I don't know, he bothered me a lot more than I should have let it.
 
As someone who only started hunting in my mid 30s. I don't agree with the idea that social media influencers are the reason why the hunting population has expanded. I would make a poll for the forum but I think it would be preaching to the choir haha. But I'm making an educated guess here, but most 'new' hunters was pull into the sport by a relative or friend. I can't see some one in Los Angeles deciding to go hunt because they saw a video on Youtube. For one, Youtube's algorithm wouldn't be showing you videos about hunting anyway.

BTW I'm a big Steve fan. I think he is a very good spoke person for the hunting community.
 
hokiehunter373 said:
There aren't many better
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Steve and Mike Robinson, from the UK's "Farming the Wild" "Fishing the Wild" and Masterclass cooking shows on Outdoor channel, are probably my two favorites. You never see the over-the-top, performative, "touchdown dance" celebrations you see on dang near every other show, or the lousy sportsmanship. I really appreciate how both tie hunting to food. I'd actually like to see a crossover series featuring both of them. I also like Jim Shockey's shows

In one afternoon watching Outdoor Channel - I don't recall which shows - I saw a 250+ yard shot with a muzzleloader at an antelope, in adverse weather conditions - clean miss, assuming the snow fog didn't obscure another animal that got hit instead - and a 90-yard shot with a compound bow which killed a deer. In both cases I got the distinct impression that both shots were made because the shooting schedule required a dead animal, and took precedence over ethical hunting.

My strongly-held opinion is that (most) hunting media is to actual, ethical hunting, what "adult videos" are to actual, rewarding, adult relationships.
 
Seems like people are more receptive to his assessment of hunting media than his views on hunter recruitment. I personally wouldn’t try and discourage new people from getting into hunting, but stuff I see on YouTube can really make me cringe sometimes. I’ve only seen a small amount outdoor channel stuff and I hated it.
 
Iron_llama said:
I've really only hunted MN and AZ, for small game, deer, bear, and javalina. I've never done a Western elk hunt, and Matt was mostly talking about the crowds of elk hunters he has to contend with. Granted, it seems elk hunting has become a lot more visible over the last 15 or so years, or maybe I'm just more aware of what had always been there.

He also criticized the expense of leases, which I recall us discussing in another recent thread. Ranchers who would in years past permit polite individuals to hunt for free, are now leasing hunting rights to people with money, which in turn increases pressure on public lands. Not sure how you get around that - maybe with more people hunting, state wildlife agencies can expand existing CRP programs and open up more private lands to hunters.... nah, that's crazy talk, we need to convince people to stay inside where they won't hurt my venison critters!
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Yeahh I feel the crowds are more Midwest problems. On the 2nd part I’m perplexed. As a hunter if I had permission for years to hunt a farm and then one day I get told I can’t and also can’t afford to I’d feel some type of way about that, but at the same time as the farmer who owns the land, hell yeah smart move for sure make that money. And also as the hunter sure I can be mad but can you really be mad at someone for making smart business moves? Maybe but it doesn’t take money from the farmer so be mad all you want. I see both sides in that one. Now as a public land only hunter if I were to feel the pressure due to lost access then maybe I’d have an opinion about it one way or another.
 
John 35 said:
Seems like people are more receptive to his assessment of hunting media than his views on hunter recruitment. I personally wouldn’t try and discourage new people from getting into hunting, but stuff I see on YouTube can really make me cringe sometimes. I’ve only seen a small amount outdoor channel stuff and I hated it.
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I think he’s more opposed to recruiting done by big companies to in turn sell them products.

I’m a big fan of Steve and have been listening/reading more and more of Matt in the last year. Steve or Trump Jr should be spokesperson for hunters but I think of Matt as someone who challenges our viewpoints and practices.

He certainly isn’t as clean and concise as Steve but he makes some good points.

Some of the stories he’s shared recently about people literally breaking laws for content are pretty eye opening.

I deleted all my social media a few years ago and have no regrets. I keep a few forums for hunting and gear and that’s about it.


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Some of his points make for interesting discussion but his stance on too many hunters and not recruiting new hunters is selfish. So on one hand he’s saying it’s self-centered for people to share photos of their kills and want to lease a private place to hunt and on the other hand he wants tax payers and governments to provide him a place to hunt and keep everyone else out. Is that not self-centered?

I don’t have all the answers for fixing every issue with hunting in the 21st century, but not advocating for law abiding hunters rights???

What about land owner rights? The farmer should get no compensation for the use of the land he payed taxes and a mortgage for? Crazy.
 
John 35 said:
I’ve just listened to the first hour of this and it’s been pretty entertaining so far. It’s about the hunting media if that kind of thing interests you.
Starts out slow but it picks up around 25 min in.
A little controversy can be entertaining in the off season haha.

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I’m not sure I’m gonna make it to the 25 minute mark. These guys won’t give rinella a chance to talk…
 
Wlog said:
Some of his points make for interesting discussion but his stance on too many hunters and not recruiting new hunters is selfish. So on one hand he’s saying it’s self-centered for people to share photos of their kills and want to lease a private place to hunt and on the other hand he wants tax payers and governments to provide him a place to hunt and keep everyone else out. Is that not self-centered?

I don’t have all the answers for fixing every issue with hunting in the 21st century, but not advocating for law abiding hunters rights???

What about land owner rights? The farmer should get no compensation for the use of the land he payed taxes and a mortgage for? Crazy.
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It's just a basic human reaction to scarcity. In my area we have a ton of public, but we also have a ton of hunters. To many, it appears that there are more hunters than good hunting spots, yet we have RRR constantly shoved down our throats. It just seems like we could chill with that. And to be fully transparent, it's driven by the hunting gear industry, because naturally they want more hunters buying their gear.

Then you also have the visceral reaction to all the ego-fed wannabes on social media. Kinda related, but also not. Which is also just human nature, people are gonna be dinguses. I look at that largely as a symptom of the times. People struggle with identity in many ways these days. I think a lot of people try to carve out their identity as an influential hunter, because other areas are maybe lacking? That goes way beyond hunting into structural societal issues. Look at just about any hobby and you'll see it.
 
www.outdoorlife.com

Survey: Public Approval for Hunting Drops Sharply

A national survey shows that approval of legal hunting has dropped to 77 percent, which is the lowest approval rating since 2015.
www.outdoorlife.com www.outdoorlife.com

All these social media people, YouTubers, and companies may not be having a positive impact as far as the general public is concerned. The majority of Americans live in cities and are clueless about the outdoors, seeing animals die is likely going to upset them.
 
elk yinzer said:
People struggle with identity in many ways these days. I think a lot of people try to carve out their identity as an influential hunter, because other areas are maybe lacking? That goes way beyond hunting into structural societal issues. Look at just about any hobby and you'll see it.
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Agreed - I think that we all have a strong need to be a part of a community and to be in service to that community. Our modern lives are often so truncated and compartmentalized so that even when we do have community and we do things that are beneficial to the community - there's still a great lack of feeling connected and useful.
 
I didn’t realize how old this thread was when I replied. Good convo though


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