I took all of the hardware off of 1 of my muddy sticks except the cam cleat and made a longer one. The stem is 24" and between steps is 20.5". I used a lone wolf versa button and 6' of 1/4" amsteel. Weight on new stick is 2.09lbs and my other muddy stick is 2.80. Now I know that paint or stealth strips will add alittle more weight but shouldn't be much. I am going to make a continuous amsteel loop aider that I will move up with me as I climb.
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