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XOP and LWCG got divorced.
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XOP and LWCG got divorced.
htimsds9999
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Another Chinese company stealing ideas
Have you ever sat on one of those old wood swings? Thats exactly what I think of when i see then and they hurt if you sat for 5 minutes.
I think the LWCG owners has a partnership with XOP or are actually part owner too. XOP was supposed to be their budget brand (think of Honda and Acura), which they were a few years ago with stands around $160. I'm not quiet sure who is their target audience is anymore....I mean $400 XOP VS $500 LWCG???
Oh....I'm going to toot my own horn a little here. This is not a new design or great idea. They literally just cut a stand to make it smaller....I did it to my original sand cast lone wolf. 6.5lbs. They are using less material and charging more/same price. You can probably do the same with any of the current stands.
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Carbon is expensive as a material, but even if the flat board was Carbon, I don't see how that assortment of straps and stitching could be $375! I mean they didn't even make it contoured...
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Not the same. They are machining platforms, not using sand cast. That costs more.
Your micro stand even incorporates a machined LWCG post and seat. Lol. Cost you less because it isn’t as good as the real thing.
Folks are saying LW and XOP have broken up, do you know that isn’t true?
The differences between cast and machined was actually in a promotion email I got from XOP funny enough!
True, I'm not arguing about quality and worth. I'm just wondering what is the business plan is. I mean a price jump from $160 to around $400 just does not make sense. If I'm going to spend $400, I honestly would just save up that extra $100 to get a LWCG.
I don't think there has been a divorced because I see Cody D'acquisto is still the face/promoter of XOP.
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XOP is going to continue to offer cast stands at budget pricing as well as less expensive machined stands than LWCG.
LWCG will offer more refined machined stands at higher cost and add an economy line of cast stands, is the word.
cover 2 price points. That’s the plan I think.
It’s why I engage the argument on the hybrid being expensive. It’s not wrong or right, in absolute terms, to make the claim. What I’m concerned with, is the logic for arriving there. Because taking that logic, allows things like this tree seat/bosuns chair to cost 375.00.
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Wrong. XOP and LWCG separate entities. Nothing to do with one another anymore. XOP is owned by a garden tool manufacturer
Really? Wow, I have not been up to date lately. Is this a very recent thing?
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The split? If you went to the roadshow last year you probably noticed the lack there of XOP products.
Cody was contracted for marketing. Andrae was contracted for design until a few years ago. Andrae hasn’t designed anything for them in like 4 years. They worked under contract. Neither one owned XOP.
Jeff Weaver of defunct Lone Wolf asked Andrae to find an overseas company that could make treestands. There was DDI a farm and garden tool manufacturer that was able to do it. Things went sideways and DDI was left holding the bag on thousands of treestands. Then XOP was born under DDI corp to unload the treestands. As you might recall the XOP silver series hangons, enforcer and punisher climber? That was them…
DDI is the parent company of XOP:
Cody was contracted for marketing. Andrae was contracted for design until a few years ago. Andrae hasn’t designed anything for them in like 4 years. They worked under contract. Neither one owned XOP.
Jeff Weaver of defunct Lone Wolf asked Andrae to find an overseas company that could make treestands. There was DDI a farm and garden tool manufacturer that was able to do it. Things went sideways and DDI was left holding the bag on thousands of treestands. Then XOP was born under DDI corp to unload the treestands. As you might recall the XOP silver series hangons, enforcer and punisher climber? That was them…
DDI is the parent company of XOP:
About - DDI Inc.
DDI's History In 1992 a recently graduated engineering student from China arrived in Champaign-Urbana, Illinois to complete his doctoral studies at the University of Illinois. He came from very humble beginnings, growing up in a small agricultural town and working his way into the university in...
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BigAl
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Absolutely no reason for 350 for this king-stand saddle! Agree totally with the earlier post on cost! I think they think people will jump on this for hip pinch relief.....uhhhh No!
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Gonna kill your ass
BigAl
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I read that as "it will make your glutes hurt" not as a threat of violence lol but I could be wrong
Truth. Anyone that purchased an "original" XOP silver stand may have noticed the "Lone Wolf" was ground off the base of the platform and painted over with silver paint, the versa buttons still said "lone wolf" on them, and the cam buckle straps had the "lone wolf" tag on them for writing the date when the straps were purchased. At the time many people were like "Wow, this new XOP equipment sure is like LW!" About the only difference was the "new, patented i-beam technology" - which was a cast beam - and the seat cushion was different. But, that was like 2014! A lot has changed since then.The split? If you went to the roadshow last year you probably noticed the lack there of XOP products.
Cody was contracted for marketing. Andrae was contracted for design until a few years ago. Andrae hasn’t designed anything for them in like 4 years. They worked under contract. Neither one owned XOP.
Jeff Weaver of defunct Lone Wolf asked Andrae to find an overseas company that could make treestands. There was DDI a farm and garden tool manufacturer that was able to do it. Things went sideways and DDI was left holding the bag on thousands of treestands. Then XOP was born under DDI corp to unload the treestands. As you might recall the XOP silver series hangons, enforcer and punisher climber? That was them…
DDI is the parent company of XOP:
About - DDI Inc.
DDI's History In 1992 a recently graduated engineering student from China arrived in Champaign-Urbana, Illinois to complete his doctoral studies at the University of Illinois. He came from very humble beginnings, growing up in a small agricultural town and working his way into the university in...ddicorp.com
I seriously did laugh out loud at this haha.
Iron_llama
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Is this the logical progression of "2TC or die"?