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Sterling Canyon C-IV Questions - Doublesteps.com

I have both the OpLux and the C-IV. I bought the OpLux first, then the C-IV. Here are some of the things I've found when trying both for linesman and tether... a little long but might save someone research time.

1. Ascenders.
-- OpLux. If you're using a Ropeman1 (rated for 10-13mm ropes), it is not rated for the 8mm OpLux. It works on OpLux, don't get me wrong, but the Ropeman1 is not rated for 8mm ropes and I noticed some minor slippage during my ground level experiments. If you choose OpLux, you need a Ropeman2 or a Kong Duck (strongly recommend and my personal favorite) to meet the safety ratings for the ascenders which are both rated for 8-13mm ropes.
-- Canyon C-IV. At 9mm, you need a Ropeman2 or a Kong Duck to meet the safety ratings for the ascenders. The Ropeman1 one is not rated for this rope (9mm). It will work with a Ropeman1 but again, not rated for it and I also noticed some slippage with C-IV when testing with the Ropeman1.

2. Packability. If this is your sole selection criteria, Oplux is your choice. Both are better than standard lines but as shown in the pics in previous posts, Oplux is more compact.

3. Linesman.
-- OpLux. I bought the OpLux because I intended to use it for both linesman and tether, allowing me to easily stash both ropes in one pouch. I found using OpLux as a linesman belt didn't work well for me. I didn't care for the smaller diameter when adjusting the linesman up or down the tree and didn't feel like I could get a solid, consistent grip on the OpLux without gloves on. Bottom line, my personal preferences steered me away from OpLux as a linesman even when using a Kong Duck ascender.
-- Canyon C-IV. Although only 1mm larger in diameter compared to the OpLux, I found it easier to use as a linesman. I think the slight increase in weight and diameter made the difference for me despite the seemingly negligible difference between C-IV and OpLux.

4. Tether. I'm using OpLux paired with a Kong Duck as a tether. I really like it.

I'm a fan of both ropes but prefer the C-IV over the OpLux. The water resistant properties of C-IV along with my testing were the selling points for me.

Personal preference drive each of our decisions on gear choices but whatever you choose, make sure you're following the safety ratings of your gear.

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Looking at the Canyon C-IV as well for tether and linemen belt. I feel like this has been covered on here previously, but because it wasn’t in my radar at the time I probably bypassed the thread. Will Dan-O put a spliced eye in this rope or will that be something I need a 3rd party to do if I’m interested in that option?
 
MathewsMan7 said:
Looking at the Canyon C-IV as well for tether and linemen belt. I feel like this has been covered on here previously, but because it wasn’t in my radar at the time I probably bypassed the thread. Will Dan-O put a spliced eye in this rope or will that be something I need a 3rd party to do if I’m interested in that option?
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I think he's working on it, possibly talked to another shop yesterday even, but they couldn't do it. He hasn't given up yet.
 
Looks like canyon will be another good option for us

May have to give it a try instead of htp


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RagnarRGR said:
I have both the OpLux and the C-IV. I bought the OpLux first, then the C-IV. Here are some of the things I've found when trying both for linesman and tether... a little long but might save someone research time.

1. Ascenders.
-- OpLux. If you're using a Ropeman1 (rated for 10-13mm ropes), it is not rated for the 8mm OpLux. It works on OpLux, don't get me wrong, but the Ropeman1 is not rated for 8mm ropes and I noticed some minor slippage during my ground level experiments. If you choose OpLux, you need a Ropeman2 or a Kong Duck (strongly recommend and my personal favorite) to meet the safety ratings for the ascenders which are both rated for 8-13mm ropes.
-- Canyon C-IV. At 9mm, you need a Ropeman2 or a Kong Duck to meet the safety ratings for the ascenders. The Ropeman1 one is not rated for this rope (9mm). It will work with a Ropeman1 but again, not rated for it and I also noticed some slippage with C-IV when testing with the Ropeman1.

2. Packability. If this is your sole selection criteria, Oplux is your choice. Both are better than standard lines but as shown in the pics in previous posts, Oplux is more compact.

3. Linesman.
-- OpLux. I bought the OpLux because I intended to use it for both linesman and tether, allowing me to easily stash both ropes in one pouch. I found using OpLux as a linesman belt didn't work well for me. I didn't care for the smaller diameter when adjusting the linesman up or down the tree and didn't feel like I could get a solid, consistent grip on the OpLux without gloves on. Bottom line, my personal preferences steered me away from OpLux as a linesman even when using a Kong Duck ascender.
-- Canyon C-IV. Although only 1mm larger in diameter compared to the OpLux, I found it easier to use as a linesman. I think the slight increase in weight and diameter made the difference for me despite the seemingly negligible difference between C-IV and OpLux.

4. Tether. I'm using OpLux paired with a Kong Duck as a tether. I really like it.

I'm a fan of both ropes but prefer the C-IV over the OpLux. The water resistant properties of C-IV along with my testing were the selling points for me.

Personal preference drive each of our decisions on gear choices but whatever you choose, make sure you're following the safety ratings of your gear.

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So can tge c-iv be spliced ? If so by the user or factory only ? Thanks
 
Not certain. I'm sure someone can sew an eye/loop on the end similar to the Oplux linesman/tether available (or used to be) on the Wild Edge website.

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I have oplux, C-IV, and 9mm HTP. HTP is my rappel rope and C-IV is my tether. I bought oplux to check it out and to use as either a LB, 2nd tether, or to cut down as a bridge. Have only played around with it so far but will probably just carry it as LB/backup. I really like the C-IV. Great balance between packability and stiffness. In the future I might buy more of it and use as my rappel rope, but going to stick with the HTP for now.
 
Can you die or color ropes like Canyon C-IV, Oplux, and HTP? I am just getting into Saddle Hunting and have ordered 100 feet of Canyon C-IV that I intend to use for various purposes including lineman's rope, tether, and 40 foot length for a rappelling rope if I want to try one-sticking with rappelling.
 
cpeaden said:
Can you die or color ropes like Canyon C-IV, Oplux, and HTP? I am just getting into Saddle Hunting and have ordered 100 feet of Canyon C-IV that I intend to use for various purposes including lineman's rope, tether, and 40 foot length for a rappelling rope if I want to try one-sticking with rappelling.
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The sheath on these are technora, which is a high molecular weight plastic, so I doubt that they take dye.

However, this is such a small amount of non-camo that, in my opinion, the only reason to mess with it is to satisfy my own mind. I am prey to the same thoughts though, and have a perfectly good red dynamic rope of 9.9 mm that I don't want to use for the same reason. As far as dying these, most dye makers state to heat/boil the dye. Do NOT do this to your ropes. Further, I think that binding chemicals to our ropes is just a dangerous road to start going down. I do not have the chops to know for 100% certainty that dying a rope will not have some long term negative effect on the core or sheath, therefore I would not do this to something which I am trusting my life to. Your mileage may vary, but I would encourage you to not dye or greatly modify anything that is "life support" because the potential downside so greatly outweighs any potential benefit.

PS....during the height of initial COVID, backcountry.com put out a warning about not disinfecting your ropes or other gear. They stated best cleaning practice which is gentle hand cleaning with luke warm water and mild soap and then hanging to dry. If their warnings reflected what was happening, people were bleaching, etc their ropes.
 
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I'd be curious to see a drop test of Canyon vs Oplux. I know that nylon slings outperform dyneema slings on drop tests (strike against Oplux there), but I wonder if the larger diameter and polypro core helps Canyon out there.
 
raisins said:
The sheath on these are technora, which is a high molecular weight plastic, so I doubt that they take dye.

However, this is such a small amount of non-camo that, in my opinion, the only reason to mess with it is to satisfy my own mind. I am prey to the same thoughts though, and have a perfectly good red dynamic rope of 9.9 mm that I don't want to use for the same reason. As far as dying these, most dye makers state to heat/boil the dye. Do NOT do this to your ropes. Further, I think that binding chemicals to our ropes is just a dangerous road to start going down. I do not have the chops to know for 100% certainty that dying a rope will not have some long term negative effect on the core or sheath, therefore I would not do this to something which I am trusting my life to. Your mileage may vary, but I would encourage you to not dye or greatly modify anything that is "life support" because the potential downside so greatly outweighs any potential benefit.

PS....during the height of initial COVID, backcountry.com put out a warning about not disinfecting your ropes or other gear. They stated best cleaning practice which is gentle hand cleaning with luke warm water and mild soap and then hanging to dry. If their warnings reflected what was happening, people were bleaching, etc their ropes.
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That makes sense and is important. Thanks for sharing the advice and I will take it (and not mess with dyeing my ropes).
 
raisins said:
I'd be curious to see a drop test of Canyon vs Oplux. I know that nylon slings outperform dyneema slings on drop tests (strike against Oplux there), but I wonder if the larger diameter and polypro core helps Canyon out there.
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" how not to climb" probably has videos on youtube answering your questions. They test damn near every bit of climbing gear in existence, and if they haven't already, they will eventually get to it if you ask them.
 
Sorry they changed their name to " how not 2" now.

They also have Done a test on rope with sharpies, to see if ink/dye affect the ropes integrity. I haven't watched that one, But I guess I'm going to now after reading this thread.
 
cng said:
I really like this idea. Does it stay in place pretty well on the Oplux, or does it slide around a lot?
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If he's still using those ropes he should be able to give you a pretty good review. (that was over 2 years ago) :tonguewink:
 
cng said:
I really like this idea. Does it stay in place pretty well on the Oplux, or does it slide around a lot?
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They did work pretty decent. I ended up ditching them last year. Got caught on some bark here and there when trying to retrieve the rope and got annoyed with it.
Haven’t had any issues with the ropes wearing over last few years. Maybe would be a different story if I got to hunt as much as I really wanted to though.
 
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