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I dont think you're terribly far off. If your goal is to really dive in, I'd definitely get a bow that allows you to expand to your full comfortable draw without excessive stacking. That'll help right off the bat.Wow, lots to unpack there! Thanks for taking the time to give an in depth assessment. I am shooting an older bow and I worry about drawing back too much more; however, I do feel like my release arm/elbow is pushed more outward because of my short draw. The other thing is I’m feeling a lot of stack in this 45# bow past 29”. So maybe I need to get another bow that’s not limiting me in those areas? The couple draw length tests I’ve done put me at 30-31” but my bow draw never quite reaches that because of the reasons I stated above and likely due to the reasons you stated.
How would you recommend drawing back? Do you pull the release arm and push bow arm equally instead of extending the bow arm followed by only pulling the string?
Maybe I’m leaning my head forward in an attempt to touch my nose to the string like I do with the compound.
I’ve noticed the shoulder thing before but I never thought it could cause pain or issues. I’ll try out your recommendation to mitigate it pushing back into my shoulder.
I took this at the same time as the previous shots
Trad Shooting, Back View, No Shirt - For Science
The bow arm shoulder doesn't look quite as bad in the shirtless video. Part of what made it look strange is that you're shooting at a downward angle but keeping your spine upright. If you draw back as if the target were perfectly level and then pivot at the hip to aim down, it'd give a little clearer picture.
For reference, I've put a screenshot of Jake Kaminsky at full draw shooting barebow. I tilted it to show how the angles would still strive to stay true at a downward angle. Notice how relaxed and balanced everything looks. Head is in line with the spine, shoulders are low, and the arm/shoulder alignment is pretty much 90 deg to the spine. If you took a picture directly overhead, you'd also see that his draw forearm is right in line with the arrow.
I use rotational draw as taught by the NTS system (Tom Clum, Arne Moe, USA Olympic team, etc). Arne has some great YouTube videos and Tom has a great online course on The Push. It's certainly not the only way to be successful (great archers from some other countries linear draw, Howard Hill did swing draw etc), but it does provide a consistent teaching method that works for a lot of people and is based on biomechanics. Most of it can still be translated to hunting scenarios as displayed by Tom, even though it's most often seen in target shooting. When I started, I tried shooting like Howard Hill for a couple years. Once I switched to learning NTS, it made a huge difference for me. As did shooting a fixed crawl, but that was because I just am not as consistent with a high anchor point.
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