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Types of Rappel rigs

justsomedude said:
Not having to switch over for rappel is the only advantage I saw with mechanicals.
But I didn't like any of them for ascending better than using a Ropeman
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Yeah, that and potentially more redundancy as a multi-use device (depending on what your equipment choices are). I don't necessarily disagree, but the omission of mechanicals from the thread seemed kinda odd given their popularity and utility.
 
I have the luxury of having used all kinds of hybrid devices (HH,Rope Wrench, Rope Runner). I have incorporated the R.R. into my system and use it for ascending/descending as well as my tree tether adjustment. I use my climbing line as my tree tether and my way of thinking is to multi use things and eliminate duplicate functions. Changeover has always been a safety concern from the early days of single rope climbing and having a device to go seamlessly from ascent to descent is a great asset. Using a R.A.D. system using a Gri Gri, Madrock Safeguard or other descenders one can also make the transition very smoothly.
 
justsomedude said:
Ah...here it is.
ATC Pilot. It requires certain carabiner shapes but it has it's advantages.
You wouldn't bomb off of a cliff with it but it works great for short descent for me.

https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?threads/atc-pilot.4293/

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I practiced with this one
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It works well and isn’t heavy at all. It will give you a false sense of security so use a autoblock.
 
cedar paul said:
I have the luxury of having used all kinds of hybrid devices (HH,Rope Wrench, Rope Runner). I have incorporated the R.R. into my system and use it for ascending/descending as well as my tree tether adjustment. I use my climbing line as my tree tether and my way of thinking is to multi use things and eliminate duplicate functions. Changeover has always been a safety concern from the early days of single rope climbing and having a device to go seamlessly from ascent to descent is a great asset. Using a R.A.D. system using a Gri Gri, Madrock Safeguard or other descenders one can also make the transition very smoothly.
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For climbing up and down a single rope, I prefer using two Ropeman 2.
I have a long tether that i have used that way.
No slipping!

I mentioned this above...I hunted with a GriGri2.
I stood up a bit on my platform to adjust something and it just freely slid down the rope.
I don't like that :) User error I know. But that's what I didn't like.

To me, devices like that are for going up and down working in trees etc and not for use as a hunting tether device.
 
EricS said:
I practiced with this one
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It works well and isn’t heavy at all. It will give you a false sense of security so use a autoblock.
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Looks cool. I wonder how it differs from the ATC Pilot.
And YES....AUTOBLOCK. I am a fan.
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Just because I'm old school; Stictht plates are long forgotten but I like them for their very smooth rappelling and control. I've played with using it with a Distel hitch as a auto block and it pushes it along the rope well for ascents. But with so many modern options for ascents and descents I'll leave it sit in the closet for backup gear.
 

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Ed the Red said:
Just because I'm old school; Stictht plates are long forgotten but I like them for their very smooth rappelling and control. I've played with using it with a Distel hitch as a auto block and it pushes it along the rope well for ascents. But with so many modern options for ascents and descents I'll leave it sit in the closet for backup gear.
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I think it is SMART to know the improvised methods like Munter hitch and using multiple carabiners for a brake.

I tend to carry a 30' rope and a device with me in case I drop something.
I don't want to get stuck up a tree and have to call my wife :)
 
That's why with my 1 stick method I can bale out at any given time regardless of the height. Actually the hybrid devices are used for work positioning and in essence that is what be done when hunting just less of it. The Gri Gri slips just like the Lifeguard and a device that immediately locks when weighted is desired. I like the micro adjustability of having the ability to adjust my tether and bridge. No excuse for not being comfortable. Guys who 1 stick and haven't anticipated dropping their stick are better than me because I like having a way to rappell down in this case. I use equipment that is very much overkill for climbing <30' but it is what I am comfortable with.
 
The mammut I posted earlier weighs 82g. It stops on its own 99 percent of the time. Mess around and get the corner of a carabiner in the device and put weight into it and you better have an autoblock. It works best with oval carabiners.
 
I just picked up an ATC Sport. It is less than 1oz weight difference but is substantially smaller.
1/2 the thickness (single rope) and doesn't have the Guide attachment point that my ATC Guide has.

It is shiny gold...hit it with some flat brown spray paint on the outside.
But if I am rappelling, I am not in super stealth mode.

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