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what the heck kind of irresponsible bs is this?

Bwhana said:
Y'all are too easy and predictable! I told a friend about this thread as an easy target before I posted, so thanks for tonight's entertainment, the football game wasn't worth watching. For the record, I actually fall in the middle on this topic and the comment about Bambis was just to provoke thought. I personally think they taste better!
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Way easier to drag and hang by yourself also.
 
gameflogger said:
If you had a chance to plant a garden and have a decent harvest to feed your family, or wait until the next year to plant a garden when the ground would be more fertile, what would YOU do?
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I don't follow what parallel you are trying to make or see the connection between this analogy and my previous statements or issues raised in this discussion thus far.

Are you trying to make some type of justification for taking marginal shots on game based on being food insecure? The expense of acquiring the required hunting equipment alone would likely put it out of reach for those in such dire circumstances.

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tyson12590 said:
We humans sure have evolved fast! Fred Bear who was deemed one of the greatest conservationist and advocate for bowhunting was fine with shooting over a 100 yards with his recurve at big game, and now if a guy takes a 62 yard shot with a highly technical highly accurate compound bow he is unequivocally wrong in doing so. What changed in 40 years?

Instead of just shaming someone, why don't you type up an in depth explanation of what is and isn't ethical in the bow hunting world and why that is the case? That might actually convince someone to be more ethical, rather than just shaming somebody to make yourself feel better.
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I don't think one criticism (he made some shots past the reasonable limits of a recurve) means that Bear was a bad guy and not overall ethical and good for the sport. Have you shot a recurve? If you think that's a 100 yard weapon (except in war) then you must be that Hawkeye Marvel character from the Avengers. It's okay to have a realistic vision of a hero. And a hero doing something questionable doesn't make it less questionable.

Also, we can disagree on things and not impute reasons for bringing things up (feeling better, etc). That's just steering a debate into low blow territory.
 
tyson12590 said:
We humans sure have evolved fast! Fred Bear who was deemed one of the greatest conservationist and advocate for bowhunting was fine with shooting over a 100 yards with his recurve at big game, and now if a guy takes a 62 yard shot with a highly technical highly accurate compound bow he is unequivocally wrong in doing so. What changed in 40 years?

Instead of just shaming someone, why don't you type up an in depth explanation of what is and isn't ethical in the bow hunting world and why that is the case? That might actually convince someone to be more ethical, rather than just shaming somebody to make yourself feel better.
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"Ethics" far too often feels like people just trying to whitewash often-questionable decisions with some fancy-soundin' language. "F-off I'm ethical"
 
You are entitled to your opinion and to expressing your opinion. I just feel like if you follow your premise to it's logical conclusion then anything but gun hunting is unethical. That's why I think you should articulate where you draw the line and why that is the best choice.
 
I hate to be ethics police but I trust the smell test and that guy fails it miserably. For love or for likes material judging by the content of his chit. I just have a great distrust of people that are seemingly willing to sell their souls to youtube algorithms I suppose.

All about free speech but some things I believe are just better done off camera.
 
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rhagenw said:
Fred Bear made a living off of shots he made just like that guy who made that 62 yard shot, like that bomar guy who did the 120 yard shot just like Chris bee taking 80 yard shots just like John Eberhart made a living selling scent lock...just like politics make a living selling hysteria??? Make myself feel better? I’ll feel my tags taking easy shots and I’ll support my family in rural U.S.A...does supporting false idols make you feel better?
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Oh make no mistake.... I like easy shots too, I have not shot outside 20 yards in 10 years or so, but I personally know people who can and do in fact take “ethical” shots outside 40 yards, I would not personally do it, but like I said before, just because YOU cannot do it does not mean that it is unethical.
 
raisins said:
I don't think one criticism (he made some shots past the reasonable limits of a recurve) means that Bear was a bad guy and not overall ethical and good for the sport. Have you shot a recurve? If you think that's a 100 yard weapon (except in war) then you must be that Hawkeye Marvel character from the Avengers. It's okay to have a realistic vision of a hero. And a hero doing something questionable doesn't make it less questionable.

Also, we can disagree on things and not impute reasons for bringing things up (feeling better, etc). That's just steering a debate into low blow territory.
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I hunt with a longbow and limit myself to 20 yards. My point is not that Fred Bear was perfect, its that we too often push our own arbitrary standards of hunting ethics on other people. Some people have skills that allow them to do things "ethically" that others can not do. That is why I think it is better to worry about yourself and articulate where you draw the line and why. Blanket condemnation just causes division rather than helpful dialogue.

On your second point, you are correct and my last statement was probably not wise. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
Flight time vs reaction time alone makes it unethical...I won’t take that shot nor advocate it nor should anyone else in public eye promoting the SPORT...not survival...
 
Fred Bear made those shots to promote himself not to promote archery
 
I don’t believe anyone defending this fool is an experience archer
 
rhagenw said:
Flight time vs reaction time alone makes it unethical...I won’t take that shot nor advocate it nor should anyone else in public eye promoting the SPORT...not survival...
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Ok, I appreciate you putting forth an argument. I am interested in legitimately discussing this, not at all trying to argue.
Correct my hypothetical numbers if you disagree . If you are ok with him shooting 30 yards and he has a 10% chance of wounding a deer and at 62 yards he has a 30% chance of wounding the deer. At what percent chance would you feel comfortable with?
 
rhagenw said:
I don’t believe anyone defending this fool is an experience archer
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I have not watched the youtube video, I have been HUNTING just saying some folks CAN shoot 60 yards at a deer, not me, but some fellars as much as I hate to accept it are better than me at shooting and even hunting!
 
gameflogger said:
I have not watched the youtube video, I have been HUNTING just saying some folks CAN shoot 60 yards at a deer, not me, but some fellars as much as I hate to accept it are better than me at shooting and even hunting!
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Even (for the moment) accepting that...I come to the conclusion that it's a bad, risky decision (based on time of flight, consequences of a bad shot in an urban environment, being responsible in the publuc eye, etc.).

Y'all get hung up on ethics - a shot being ethical is necessary but not sufficient to take the shot.
 
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