Cam buckle straps

[EricS]

If I ran only one ropeman it would be on my linesmans belt and just use a prussik on my tether. I don’t think what you are saying is 100 percent unsafe just a pain. I wouldn’t climb using a 7/32 amsteel linesmans. I would be fine using it stationary while hooking a tether in. Where I wouldn’t want it is going around limbs. Especially in conjunction with using an aider. When I hit a limb my tether becomes my linesmans. I don’t switch back unless I hit another limb. Sometimes I will have to pass 6 or more limbs on the way up. I wouldn’t want to have to hook and unhook twice for every limb. At the end of the day it’s your call. What risk are you willing to take and what do you have to lose if it goes wrong? I personally don’t use a locking carabiner on my linesmans. That’s wrong and I know it but it’s a choice I will have to live or die by.

 

[TNSTAAFL]

I got you. I wasn't thinking of climbing at all with the Amsteel. Just using it at the top temporarily while I move my tether.

I see what you are saying about going around limbs creating twice the hookup work. Hadn't thought of that. I really appreciate you calling my attention to that.

Tradeoffs like everything I guess. Still thinking it might be worth it to save $100ish on a second Ropeman and LB, plus the bulk/metal noise differential.

Sure I can save a few ounces in other ways (binoculars as suggested earlier). Just trying to minimize my setup and expense in ways that don't unduly jeopardize my safety.



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[EricS]

Like I said it’s all up to you. I don’t what your climbing system and saddle are. For me I was fine with a sit drag when using climbing sticks and stick ladders. I didn’t feel comfortable using it with aiders. Once I got my kestrel I was comfortable enough to start pushing some boundaries climbing that I wouldn’t otherwise do with the sit drag. I just felt safer. Twenty years ago I climbed limbs and screwed in steps with no safety device whatsoever. It was stupid when I did it but there weren’t many available options back then. At least not any I wanted to pay for.

 

[TNSTAAFL]

Right on. That is one of the challenges of this site (which is awesome by the way). There are so many combinations of gear within setups. When you are trying to learn it can lead to misunderstandings for noobs like me.

This will be year one in the saddle and I am still waiting on my Kite. My original climbing plan was to use my LWHC which makes this whole question moot since I can just use my tether as a tether to climb with the climber seat. Assuming I stick to branchless trees no LB needed.

I've now just ordered a set of WE stepps and am in production mode for the Knaider/Swaider method. This opens up more trees (those with branches) which is great but means I need to use a LB. This is where I wondered about using my tether as a LB and just having something light and less expensive for the top of climb while I setup tether. I hadn't thought through the whole branch navigation part that you brought to my attention.



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[kobudo]

You could alternate between the lineman belt method with the wild Edge steps to the Cain method. I personally do not have the method down pat yet, so I will not be doing that but if you practice up with the wild Edge steps that should work.

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[TonyGreenway]

If I ran only one ropeman it would be on my linesmans belt and just use a prussik on my tether. I don’t think what you are saying is 100 percent unsafe just a pain. I wouldn’t climb using a 7/32 amsteel linesmans. I would be fine using it stationary while hooking a tether in. Where I wouldn’t want it is going around limbs. Especially in conjunction with using an aider. When I hit a limb my tether becomes my linesmans. I don’t switch back unless I hit another limb. Sometimes I will have to pass 6 or more limbs on the way up. I wouldn’t want to have to hook and unhook twice for every limb. At the end of the day it’s your call. What risk are you willing to take and what do you have to lose if it goes wrong? I personally don’t use a locking carabiner on my linesmans. That’s wrong and I know it but it’s a choice I will have to live or die by.

Why don't you use a locking biner? I know some arborists that hated having to use them when they were wearing gloves because it can be difficult to manipulate. Ive found a few models, however, that are easy to work, even with thick gloves. I run Petzl ball-locks, but most guys say the tri-act is easier with gloves or mitts. They're readily found for $12-$20 depending on model. Just a suggestion, if that's your reason.

 

[EricS]

Why don't you use a locking biner? I know some arborists that hated having to use them when they were wearing gloves because it can be difficult to manipulate. Ive found a few models, however, that are easy to work, even with thick gloves. I run Petzl ball-locks, but most guys say the tri-act is easier with gloves or mitts. They're readily found for $12-$20 depending on model. Just a suggestion, if that's your reason.

I never said it was the right thing to do. I use a metolius mini 2. It’s super light small enough that it stays positioned as it should. I kept it as a spare and had to use it one day and just really liked it. It’s only rated 22kn but it’s stronger than the ropeman 1 it is hooked to. My linesmans stays tied on to one side of my kestrel so I have only 1 to worry about on the linesmans. I go around a lot of limbs and check it every time. With the mantis and the linesmans loops farther forward I may move to something different.

 

[TonyGreenway]

I never said it was the right thing to do. I use a metolius mini 2. It’s super light small enough that it stays positioned as it should. I kept it as a spare and had to use it one day and just really liked it. It’s only rated 22kn but it’s stronger than the ropeman 1 it is hooked to. My linesmans stays tied on to one side of my kestrel so I have only 1 to worry about on the linesmans. I go around a lot of limbs and check it every time. With the mantis and the linesmans loops farther forward I may move to something different.

Please don't take my post as judgemental. I genuinely thought you might have gone that route because we hunt in cold weather. Gloves and mitts really can make it a bear to work locking biners, especially screw locks. I just wanted to offer an alternative that's easy with gloves. There's something to be said for using a non-locking biner, since it keeps you paying attention to it. I've witnessed two close calls where a climber got something jammed in the gate of a biner that kept it from closing. If I hadn't seen it from the ground, the climber might have made a really quick descent. Those were locking biners. Nothing is infallible. Again, just trying to be helpful, not judging or claiming to know better. Lord knows I'm figuring this stuff out as I go.

 

[Jajtner01]

You can go to REI and get 10 or 12 feet of static line for $.85/foot, a small sling for a prusik and a carabiner for well under $20. I would go that route before a cam buckle strap.

 

[EricS]

There’s no good reason not to use a locking carabiner. I have a fed screw lock carabiners and a couple auto locking. My son is trying the saddle this season and he will have all auto lock. A good rule would probably not use anything you wouldn’t allow your child to use.
As far as the op About 50 percent of the trees I climb are almost too big for the lone wolf straps to work on the sticks. They would be about 2’ too short for use on those trees.

 

[redsquirrel]

I never said it was the right thing to do. I use a metolius mini 2. It’s super light small enough that it stays positioned as it should. I kept it as a spare and had to use it one day and just really liked it. It’s only rated 22kn but it’s stronger than the ropeman 1 it is hooked to. My linesmans stays tied on to one side of my kestrel so I have only 1 to worry about on the linesmans. I go around a lot of limbs and check it every time. With the mantis and the linesmans loops farther forward I may move to something different.

Please don't take my post as judgemental. I genuinely thought you might have gone that route because we hunt in cold weather. Gloves and mitts really can make it a bear to work locking biners, especially screw locks. I just wanted to offer an alternative that's easy with gloves. There's something to be said for using a non-locking biner, since it keeps you paying attention to it. I've witnessed two close calls where a climber got something jammed in the gate of a biner that kept it from closing. If I hadn't seen it from the ground, the climber might have made a really quick descent. Those were locking biners. Nothing is infallible. Again, just trying to be helpful, not judging or claiming to know better. Lord knows I'm figuring this stuff out as I go.

First I advocate for a locking biner.

Second, I find it hilarious that a conversation between 2 guys from Georgia had the phrase "we hunt in cold weather" in it!!! HAHAHAHA

 

[TonyGreenway]

First I advocate for a locking biner.

Second, I find it hilarious that a conversation between 2 guys from Georgia had the phrase "we hunt in cold weather" in it!!! HAHAHAHA

HEY! Sometimes I have to put on long pants!

 

[EricS]

First I advocate for a locking biner.

Second, I find it hilarious that a conversation between 2 guys from Georgia had the phrase "we hunt in cold weather" in it!!! HAHAHAHA

Lol I didn’t even realize he was from Georgia. I would get more believers saying I was having problems with locking carabiners because salt from sweat was causing corrosion in the locking mechanism over them freezing in cold weather.