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Cva wolf Muzzleloader

Another Optima owner. Nitride barrel
I started with 2 white hot pellets and 245 powerbelts years ago, as the instruction manual suggests them. I have had good results. Although i considered switching to powder and sst slugs to tighten up groups beyond 50 due to reading forums and having a few deer go further than I’d like for getting hit w a slug that size.
Or no good blood until dropping.

Most of the Slugs stayed in the deer , only two of maybe 6 fragmented when hitting a rib.
I’m kind of glad powder is tough to get right now.
 
@TreeCreep I've never been impressed with muzzleloader performance which is why I want an exit wound. It’s really closer to handgun ballistics than rifle. 150 grains of powder improves performance but isn’t good for accuracy in my gun. There are some that weigh charges and experiment with different sabots to get really good performance and accuracy out of their setups.
 
EricS said:
@TreeCreep I've never been impressed with muzzleloader performance which is why I want an exit wound. It’s really closer to handgun ballistics than rifle. 150 grains of powder improves performance but isn’t good for accuracy in my gun. There are some that weigh charges and experiment with different sabots to get really good performance and accuracy out of their setups.
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^^^^^^^this! I love hunting with a ML but have never been impressed with lack of exit wounds /blood trails. Almost always lethal on deer but makes a tough track. Have recently started shooting high shoulder with better results
 
Slabzilla73 said:
I have the CVA Optima and have similar issues but its not a big deal. I use the primer extractor fork that came with the gun. I use Power Belt bullets and they work great with the magnum load of 150grns of pellets. Aren't Power Belts made specifically for CVA?? Im confident to 250yrds for sure with my Nikon BDC scope.
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I ordered the extractor and hoping it works.
its just one more thing to carry its annoying lol
 
I have the opposite problem with primers that are loosey goosey and can fall out.....it's not a cva. A light dap of breech plug grease on the side of the primer couldn't hurt could it if I'm sure there no grease on the buisness end?
 
Weldabeast said:
I have the opposite problem with primers that are loosey goosey and can fall out.....it's not a cva. A light dap of breech plug grease on the side of the primer couldn't hurt could it if I'm sure there no grease on the buisness end?
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Yea that’s my problem. They are loose. It’s probably because the primers he is using swell when shot getting them stuck. I have never had that issue with the CCI primers.
 
EricS said:
I’ve shot several deer with powerbelts and had to grid search for every one of them. They were all down in 30-100 yards but when you can only see a few feet a blood trail is much appreciated. Some of those were with 200 grain and 245 grain. There’s a 295 out now that may be good. I bought a federal all copper bullet this year that shoots well but I haven’t gotten to test it out on game. I really like the 300 grain Hornady sst. Based on your experience I would say keep shooting them. I will say I am also shooting 90 grains of powder
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I’ve never had good luck with power belts. Heck the gun doesn’t even like them. But last year I couldn’t find xtp’s so I tried the 295 grain powerbelts. Had an awful time zeroing them. Go it to the point where shot 1 was good every time but shot 2 and 3 would astray 3-5 inches and that was consistent so I figured I’ll pack a cleaning kit and swab the gun every shot should I need to. I lost the buck of a lifetime because of those stupid powerbelts. I drove home threw them all away and swore not to hunt until I had the xtps in my hand again
 
I've had the same issue with mine. Usually just pop it out with the tip of my knife.

And I've been shooting (2) 50g pyrodex pellets, and a 240g hornady XTP for years. This combo has killed a lot of deer
 
Tim0712 said:
I’ve never had good luck with power belts. Heck the gun doesn’t even like them. But last year I couldn’t find xtp’s so I tried the 295 grain powerbelts. Had an awful time zeroing them. Go it to the point where shot 1 was good every time but shot 2 and 3 would astray 3-5 inches and that was consistent so I figured I’ll pack a cleaning kit and swab the gun every shot should I need to. I lost the buck of a lifetime because of those stupid powerbelts. I drove home threw them all away and swore not to hunt until I had the xtps in my hand again
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Sorry you've had a bad experience. I've used 295 grain Powerbelts with 100 gr 777 for years out of my TC Omega and it's a naildriver. I've shot 3 deer in the head with them. I've probably shot 20-25 deer with them and found all of them. Only had to grid search one but none ever made it over 100 yards. I will say the 295 grain drop pretty significantly beyond 100 yards. Triple 7 is pretty dirty too so may change that up eventually. Every gun is different---gotta find what it likes.
 
I Purchased, a CVA wolf just to be able to hunt hogs on wildlife management areas during small game season. For accuracy, penetration, and expansion. The Barnes T-EZ Saboted bullet is hard to beat. I shot this 275 pound Sow hard quartering away at 70 yards. The bullet entered behind the last rib, and exited through the center of the front leg on the opposite side. Literally went through 2 feet of pig and completely threw a big bone as it exited. I’m a believer.
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NimbleTimbo said:
Sorry you've had a bad experience. I've used 295 grain Powerbelts with 100 gr 777 for years out of my TC Omega and it's a naildriver. I've shot 3 deer in the head with them. I've probably shot 20-25 deer with them and found all of them. Only had to grid search one but none ever made it over 100 yards. I will say the 295 grain drop pretty significantly beyond 100 yards. Triple 7 is pretty dirty too so may change that up eventually. Every gun is different---gotta find what it likes.
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Every gun is different for sure! I’m glad they work for you but for me they just simply don’t! Those Thompson xtp hollow points run in that gun like they were made for each other. My cva runs 300 grain and my Thompson runs 240grain both with 100 grain of 777. 2 years ago I made my longest kill shot free hand at 150 yards on a season ending doe at last light with my cva and she dropped in her tracks. As if I didn’t already have enough resin to stick with those Thompson’s that sealed the deal for me haha
 
I started out with Powerbelt Aerolites when I first got my Accura V2. I didn’t find them to be very accurate. I switched to Harvester Scorpions and now shoot their 300 grain White Lightning with their sabots. Those with 110 grains by volume of BH209 and I have holes touching at 100 yards. The biggest issue that I had with my CVA was getting blowback into the firing pin housing and that fouled up the firing pin and caused it to stick. I found some rubber o rings that fit into the primer hole and haven’t had issues with it since.
 
BuffaloBill said:
I started out with Powerbelt Aerolites when I first got my Accura V2. I didn’t find them to be very accurate. I switched to Harvester Scorpions and now shoot their 300 grain White Lightning with their sabots. Those with 110 grains by volume of BH209 and I have holes touching at 100 yards. The biggest issue that I had with my CVA was getting blowback into the firing pin housing and that fouled up the firing pin and caused it to stick. I found some rubber o rings that fit into the primer hole and haven’t had issues with it since.
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I had to send my wolf back last spring to cva to fix a firing pin issue.
I believe was an actual recall.
i also believe it was the same issue with back fire causing firing pin to stick or not work at all.
 
BuffaloBill said:
I started out with Powerbelt Aerolites when I first got my Accura V2. I didn’t find them to be very accurate. I switched to Harvester Scorpions and now shoot their 300 grain White Lightning with their sabots. Those with 110 grains by volume of BH209 and I have holes touching at 100 yards. The biggest issue that I had with my CVA was getting blowback into the firing pin housing and that fouled up the firing pin and caused it to stick. I found some rubber o rings that fit into the primer hole and haven’t had issues with it since.
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I have this issue… do you happen to have a picture of how you placed the oring?
 
Robert loper said:
I own a CVA wolf muzzleloader and I love the gun.
I will be using 250 grain Hornady sst bullets and 2/50grain triple 7 powder pellets. Bushnell 3-9-40 dusk til dawn scope
I have shot a few deer with this gun with a heavier load but i want to go lighter bullet.
the only thing that is a pain in the rear end is my 209 primers getting stuck after firing.
Is this common? or could this be something with the breech plug or even the kind of 209 primers im using?
thnks anyone in advance
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To the actual question: Increasing the pressure of your load will affect the expansion of your chosen 209 primer. The primer is the plug on the back end of the barrel, so where does the pressure go? Different manufactures have different primer cup thicknesses, so, yes, changing your primer could help with this. For example: a CCI primer will have a thicker cup than a Winchester primer (in a 209). On the other hand, you may get more fouling blow-by with a primer that expands less.
 
pesqimon said:
I have this issue… do you happen to have a picture of how you placed the oring?
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I actually have some O-rings and some sheet gasket material, that I insert the primer itself into to create the seal to eliminate blow-by. Never had the firing pin issue, but I hate powder/primer residue on my scope/mounts...
 
bowhunthard88 said:
To the actual question: Increasing the pressure of your load will affect the expansion of your chosen 209 primer. The primer is the plug on the back end of the barrel, so where does the pressure go? Different manufactures have different primer cup thicknesses, so, yes, changing your primer could help with this. For example: a CCI primer will have a thicker cup than a Winchester primer (in a 209). On the other hand, you may get more fouling blow-by with a primer that expands less.
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Ahhh ok. This is probably what it is. I switched to remmington 209 primers last year and I just tealized i used to use winchester or the white hot primers with no issue
 
pesqimon said:
I have this issue… do you happen to have a picture of how you placed the oring?
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I can try to get one but I’m not sure how well you could see it. I just placed it in the primer hole and the primer sits on top of it. It basically acts as a shim.

I think this is where I got the idea.

Shimming a CVA QRBP with Rubber O-Rings

Hey guys! I finally got ahold of some rubber o-rings from McMaster-Carr in the size of 1x4.5 (buna). I would like to try the rubber o-ring method for my CVA Accura V2 QRBP I was just wondering how many o-rings would it approximately take to achieve 0 headspace/primer crush using CCI 209M...
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