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Heavy arrow setups

MattMan81 said:
All good conversation. Means guys are checking there arrow flight. I know something until a few years ago I never really questioned.
Have you guys tried paper tunning with your broadheads? Just curious. Bare shaft them, then add different fletchings. I not sure if I have enough patience and time for that. But seems like the ultimate way to achieve true flight for the broadheads.
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Are you suggesting to bare shaft broadheads thru paper? Don't bare shaft a broadhead.

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MattMan81 said:
Why not?
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They could plane super hard off to the side and stick into something not even near your target. And at close range, the arrow can even ricochet back and hit you (why folks that shoot broadheads into rocks at close range for a test on youtube are taking a big risk).
 
SnakeEater said:
I’m leaning more towards the true flight feathers I already have on standby as well as aae trad vanes. Both of which fly the same for what I’m shooting now. I may tinker and try a couple a&a but I doubt I will. As far as the turbulator goes, I most likely won’t attempt bc as you said I really can’t see it making much of a difference. At this point I’m just more concerned with my form and a properly tuned set up and Maybe dig more into the weeds later. I wouldn’t consider myself accurate enough with my recurve for something like that to make a difference and some offset or helical with my fletchings is probably what I need to correct for subtle form flaws. Appreciate the input Tom!
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Keep in context why there might be a need for the turbulator. If your goal is to build a UEFOC arrow (trying for ~30ish % FOC, then reducing nock end weight is critical. Exceeding 28% foc is not easy. So we cut down the fletch as much as possible to reduce nock end weight. But with that comes the price of lesser stabilizing effect due to smaller feathers. The turbulator is supposed to counter act that.
Myself, I'm satisfied with ~28% so I don't need to cut down my fletch. The Trueflight shield cut are doing the job.
I did have to raise my nock point a little, though.

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I am at 24% and the only way to increase would be to buy 300gr broadheads or to go to a lower gpi but buying the stiffer spine arrows that isn't that easy. I agree getting over 30% is difficult. Or I guess I could drill and tap the back of the ethics insert to accept some gt brass internal shaft weights...doing that by hand would be a pain in the butt and I don't have a lathe or mill
 
Adding weight to the back/rear of the glue section of the insert probably not the best idea either now I think about it...I weld two inserts together so u have glue the whole length
 
Weldabeast said:
I am at 24% and the only way to increase would be to buy 300gr broadheads or to go to a lower gpi but buying the stiffer spine arrows that isn't that easy. I agree getting over 30% is difficult. Or I guess I could drill and tap the back of the ethics insert to accept some gt brass internal shaft weights...doing that by hand would be a pain in the butt and I don't have a lathe or mill
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I think I would be satisfied with the 24% if the arrow is flying well.
Ashby says 19% and up is good. 24 ain't bad.
 
Couple observations so far from this year....the quietness of the shot need a to discussed more.

I was on the ground with 10-15 pigs all in bow range. I shot 1, reloaded shot a 2nd seconds later, and then the pack moved off when that 2nd went to squealing....but only 30-40yds...I was able to stalk over and shoot a 3rd

I missed a buck at 11yds elevated (over the back) and he took 2 bounds and stopped...if I had been a little more lickety split on the reload I could have taken a 2nd shot before he slowly walked away

2 does feeding together only feet apart....elevated 25yd shot and the target deer makes it 20yds and falls over and the other deer is still standing in the same spot...sniffs arrow and slowly walks off.

My friend shoots at a deer and his arrow deflects off a stick and straight thru the guts...deer walks off a little ways and stands there allowing a second shot to the vitals and from that spot it didn't go 20yds.
 
I have definitely noticed that the quietness of a heavy arrow setup helps to lessen the flight response of the deer. The bow just makes a dull "thunk" sound, not a sharp crack.
 
Agreed, my bow is very quiet, but when your arrow impacts the target there is a very noticeable thump that has always been lacking with a more modern arrow weight

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krub6b said:
Agreed, my bow is very quiet, but when your arrow impacts the target there is a very noticeable thump that has always been lacking with a more modern arrow weight

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Really? I barely notice a sound at all...I see nock, see nock disappear, and no real noticable impact noise. I shot 1 pig at point blank right into the shoulder and it made a noise like cutting paper....ssssshhhhhuuuppp
 
Weldabeast said:
Really? I barely notice a sound at all...I see nock, see nock disappear, and no real noticable impact noise. I shot 1 pig at point blank right into the shoulder and it made a noise like cutting paper....ssssshhhhhuuuppp
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unfortunately I haven't shot an animal with one yet just 3d and bag targets, and there is a noticeable increase of noise at impact compared to a 450 ish grain arrow on those. I do expect soft tissue hits to be quieter than my target noise
 
When I shoot a deer, it is just a swish sound going through them. I can remember some lightweight mechanical tipped arrows slapping the snot out of deer. They would take off like I hit them in the butt with a boat paddle.
 
I’ve also noticed things quieted down since I went heavy. I’m running about 325-350gn up front and with arrow weight I’m around 640. Instead of a bark or harsh sound now it’s more of a thump when I release the string. Matter of fact it’s pretty much thump -> smack with the arrow entering the deer being almost as distinctive a sound.
 
Quiter bow shot, quieter arrow (slower speed), and less resistance due to small diameter COC heads, are all significant advantages in my experience.

They are worth the alleged tradeoff of easier to follow blood trails with mechanicals.

The only deer I have had run off since a 2017 transition to fixed heads, have been deer that knew I was there (by sight) prior to shot. All others have died within sight, or walked off to die close by.


That said, it's pretty specific to my style/strategy/tactics. These tradeoffs may not make sense for others.
 
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