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ISO Ken Super Sling - $45,675,908

I figured it would be more expensive but for most of us we hoard these items. I would totally sign a waiver but don't want you know a bad production batch either. I remembered you saying originally you had issues with what was produced. Curiosity kills me but cost wise what is the ball park number if you don't mind me asking.
 
Definitely food for thought. Preorder with waiver signed. Eliminate your liability and that of saddlehunter.com and it would be good to go. There is definitely an interest in these!!!
 
MCDM said:
I figured it would be more expensive but for most of us we hoard these items. I would totally sign a waiver but don't want you know a bad production batch either. I remembered you saying originally you had issues with what was produced. Curiosity kills me but cost wise what is the ball park number if you don't mind me asking.
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Initial issue was minor and not a structural or quality issue. They simply overlooked a part of my drawing. In my business you make it to print or it goes back. They agreed and took care of it.
 
Yeah. Ken, you did an outstanding job. I thought g2 would really like your sling, so I agreed to sell. But if you do look at getting more, I'm in. That sling is fantastic. I've just customized a few of my other slings to fit my style comfortably. If there were more Ken slings to be had, I'd most definitely want one
 
kenn1320 said:
Initial issue was minor and not a structural or quality issue. They simply overlooked a part of my drawing. In my business you make it to print or it goes back. They agreed and took care of it.
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I agree totally and that is good to know that the structurally and quality were up to your specs.

Definitely let us know if this is an option like I said I don't know what you paid to have these made but you could count me in on one at the minimum maybe two. Im not as crazy as g2 who has more saddle sets then all of us combined on here lol.
 
Kenn if you search your private messages you will see that I inquired about a K-Sling like 20 years ago. Don't be bamboozled by these yoyo's around here if you put this thing into production at a fair price.
 
g2outdoors said:
I just got one from @essdub

HOWEVER,

@kenn1320 if you can produce a batch in the neighborhood of $100 I'm in for 2. Please add molle gear loops to the hips.
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Oooo G2 scores! Think you might be skinniest guy to try this, look forward to your feed back. As for price, Ill have to see. The more stuff i add, the price goes up (extra materials and labor). I have visions of mods, but also visions of cost to start LLC, and a hour or two of attorney fees to write up a waiver. Its not like Im selling sliced bread, this is a very niche market.

Last time I had a min order and sold the extras to offset costs of min order. I also added cobra buckles and all said and done, I didn't lose money, but couldn't go to the movies with the profits either. If I was making a thousand over seas, would be a different story.
Those that bought them enjoyed them and I would be curious if they felt they got their moneys worth? Did anybody mod theirs? If it had the molle loops and a couple side loops for dedicated lineman what would those mods be worth to those that bought one already? For those interested, what's your thoughts on price? Im gonna sketch something up as I tinker with evolving this. Gotta tell ya though, worked beautifully for me and my style as is.
Also it was designed as a leaner style, would be curious if any "sitters" got one?
 
huck72412 said:
Kenn if you search your private messages you will see that I inquired about a K-Sling like 20 years ago. Don't be bamboozled by these yoyo's around here if you put this thing into production at a fair price.
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Lol Im sure you did, it wasnt the only pm I got. :cool:
 
kenn1320 said:
Oooo G2 scores! Think you might be skinniest guy to try this, look forward to your feed back. As for price, Ill have to see. The more stuff i add, the price goes up (extra materials and labor). I have visions of mods, but also visions of cost to start LLC, and a hour or two of attorney fees to write up a waiver. Its not like Im selling sliced bread, this is a very niche market.

Last time I had a min order and sold the extras to offset costs of min order. I also added cobra buckles and all said and done, I didn't lose money, but couldn't go to the movies with the profits either. If I was making a thousand over seas, would be a different story.
Those that bought them enjoyed them and I would be curious if they felt they got their moneys worth? Did anybody mod theirs? If it had the molle loops and a couple side loops for dedicated lineman what would those mods be worth to those that bought one already? For those interested, what's your thoughts on price? Im gonna sketch something up as I tinker with evolving this. Gotta tell ya though, worked beautifully for me and my style as is.
Also it was designed as a leaner style, would be curious if any "sitters" got one?
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As far as"did I get my money's worth? " the answer is yes. Certainly.
Your sling is the best quality sling I have (had- as soon as I get g2s money and ship it) .I tried to mod it with loops further to the side (closer to my hips) but I never could get that quite right. I do think that an extra set of loops(one for tether and one for lineman) and molle attachment would be great.
I'd be perfectly happy with the sling(if you were to get more made) if I could stay under the $200 mark, preferably below $150. But either way, if you have more of them produced, I certainly want one
 
I definitely like the idea or dedicated linemans loops or just some super strong loops which could serve both the bridge and lb function. Again it has to be ridiculously oh ok reasonable in strength. Really you have already thrown some prototypes out there with really good responses to the finished product. Obviously you have some fees to make such a product and to protect yourself from liability. Me personally I would rather pay good money for quality that is going to stand up to the abuse i put my gear through. Thats worth the money. If you decide to be fair on the pricing and not gouge people for every penny like the big guys do with inconsistent product qualities more power to you and you would have a repeat customer time and time again at least on my behalf. Alot to think about on your part which is understandable. Don't feel pressured either but I guess just letting you know there would be a market for this as an alternative to the evo and web (I don't count the sitdrag as it wasn't originally intended to do what we do with it).
 
Don't tell g2 that you don't consider the sit drag as part of that list. At last until he receives the Ken sling I'm mailing him.
I agree with you, I'm willing to pay for quality. I'd rather not have to pay as high a price as the aero or gw though
 
essdub said:
Don't tell g2 that you don't consider the sit drag as part of that list. At last until he receives the Ken sling I'm mailing him.
I agree with you, I'm willing to pay for quality. I'd rather not have to pay as high a price as the aero or gw though
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Lol he probably already saw that post haha. I believe Kenns is truly a spin off to the sitdrag with the actual purpose of saddling. I have never owned a gw but at least with the aero the cost has been justified by the fact it comes with everything and has lasted me 3 plus years and still is like new. If you take the $400 that i spent and divide that by the years of use it is well worth the money. Just a way of thinking I guess. However a huge factor in determining cost is all the elements that go into manufacturing a product. Since this community is continually growing people are looking for options that are simple but safe. He has a winning idea.
 
MCDM, the current loops can be used for both as that is the reason for their current location. I would change the sewing method and or the material solely for a stiffer/ more open loop. The only reason I would put another set of loops at 3 & 9 o'clock is out of user feed back. I personally use a rc harness as my lb connection and even then I prefer 2 & 10 o'clock. It keeps the rope closer together to help with wrap on the tree and its much easier to look down and connect to, instead of moving your arm out and twisting to see 3 & 9 loops. Might be different for others, but for me this is what ive concluded. Stand with arms relaxed, then lift your hand to waist level, mine ends up at 2 & 10. :sunglasses:

As for addressing the spin off of a sit-drag, that is not the case. Sit-drag was not even on the radar as a saddle when I went to work on this. The sit-drag craze however is what killed this project since I couldn't come close to that price point. This idea evolved from pics of other old saddles and testing. I looked at what was out there and modified to make it work how I wanted. My molle saddle really enlightened me on what makes a saddle work. That saddle was heavy and stiff, hence the search for something lighter and more playable.

I got to see a sit-drag for first time recently as I bought 2 off here. I was curious what the excitement was about. Not trying to be mean, but they suck for me. Everyone is different, but the sit-drag isn't for my shape/use even if it was made from the best material in the world.
 
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kenn1320 said:
MCDM, the current loops can be used for both as that is the reason for their current location. I would change the sewing method and or the material solely for a stiffer/ more open loop. The only reason I would put another set of loops at 3 & 9 o'clock is out of user feed back. I personally use a rc harness as my lb connection and even then I prefer 2 & 10 o'clock. It keeps the rope closer together to help with wrap on the tree and its much easier to look down and connect to, instead of moving your arm out and twisting to see 3 & 9 loops. Might be different for others, but for me this is what ive concluded. Stand with arms relaxed, then lift your hand to waist level, mine ends up at 2 & 10. :sunglasses:

As for addressing the spin off of a sit-drag, that is not the case. Sit-drag was not even on the radar as a saddle when I went to work on this. The sit-drag craze however is what killed this project since I couldn't come close to that price point. This idea evolved from pics of other old saddles and testing. I looked at what was out there and modified to make it work how I wanted. My molle saddle really enlightened me on what makes a saddle work. That saddle was heavy and stiff, hence the search for something lighter and more playable.

I got to see a sit-drag for first time recently as I bought 2 off here. I was curious what the excitement was about. Not trying to be mean, but they suck for me. Everyone is different, but the sit-drag isn't for my shape/use even if it was made from the best material in the world.
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I agree with you, Ken, about the sit drag. I have a few of them, and I'd use them of I didn't have my others. Your sling was the closest to perfect I've seen yet straight outta the box.I modeled my red neck (essdub) sling after the things I liked most about yours. I use huge loops though, and a more padded back sectIon. I'm more of a leaner than a sitter. If I have a long all day sit, then I can swing the sling under my butt and add a back rest (one half of the cradles from an AnderSon sling - modified for that purpose). Or use a moDified AnderSon sling that I am very Comfortable sitting/leaning inside
 
Kenn my apologies I was unsure which one came first. I actually just started to branch out from using the aero. I agree with all you said at this point. I can completely understand how SD's are very appealing cost wise and they appear well made but I have seen images of yours and thats I guess the curiosity of my interest.
 
The SitDrag is a great platform to build a proper saddle. It's cheap and more or less fits what most people are looking for in a minimalist saddle. However, it's not anywhere close to what I would end up with if I made my own from scratch. It's got decent bones, but still needs a lot of work.

I think Ken's sling is MUCH closer to what I'd design.
 
I've decided to start a GoFundMe page in order to kickstart the mass production of " ken-Sling"
PM me for my paypal information.:tearsofjoy:
 
MCDM said:
Kenn my apologies I was unsure which one came first. I actually just started to branch out from using the aero. I agree with all you said at this point. I can completely understand how SD's are very appealing cost wise and they appear well made but I have seen images of yours and thats I guess the curiosity of my interest.
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No need for an apology, I just want to answer to that comment.
 
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