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Knaider/Swaider tutorial

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Had this idea for a while. Don’t know if anyone else has tried it but finally found the time myself. Shock cord drilled through webbing and knotted for boot cinches so they don’t fall of. Headed out in the morning hunting to try them out.


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Jgetch said:
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Had this idea for a while. Don’t know if anyone else has tried it but finally found the time myself. Shock cord drilled through webbing and knotted for boot cinches so they don’t fall of. Headed out in the morning hunting to try them out.


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Worked perfect. Never budged going up this morning. Had some trouble for the first time though with my steps camming over and staying put. Really hard tree. Couldn’t get any bite.
 
That’s cool. I’ll be doing this.


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Gibby said:
I dont know how he intends to attach it to the stick, I suppose if he made the prussic loop large enough he could wrap it around the stick or at the very least girth hitch it around. I was more concerned it's made of the right (rated) material regardless of how its attached.
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Yes, I was thinking of girth hitching the prussic around the stick and connecting to the loop.
(I’m using rescue rated rope. )

I’m now thinking tubular webbing tied with a water knot might work as well.


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g2outdoors said:
Knaider complete. Only took 15 minutes.

Just went and tried it on a Stepp Ladder. WOW! I'm blown away at this thing. It works like a charm. Now to build the Swaider and find some castration bands or large o-rings. Maybe home depot?
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Is that tubular webbing or a cargo strap?

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Peterk1234 said:
Parts List:

I think this is everything.....

1 inch tubular webbing
1/2 inch flat webbing for the calf strap on the knaider
1/2 buckle for the calf strap
1 inch metal hook for knaider
castration straps to cinch webbing to my feet (zip ties work as well)
short piece of shock chord (you can sacrifice one of your bungee hooks that you use to strap stuff down)
Cheap hardware store carabiner for the bungee (hooks to your harness)
A REAL carabiner rated for 24KN or better for the swaider (will hook to the step)
Two 1 inch strap adjusters. Now you can actually get four of these and you can get around having to sew anything, but I figured the less things that can be adjusted, or go out of adjustment, the better. I used the easy stitcher to do all of my sewing.

I used bungee hog cinch rings to cinch the bungees. But you can make your own with stiff wire. You want the bungee fastened tightly to the carabiner that hooks to the step so the bungee cannot slide out of position. I can't stress how convenient it is to have the bungee flip the carabiner over for unhooking as you climb.

As for the hook. There was talk about using a larger hook. It is not needed, or wanted. Once you latch on it is not coming unhooked. Anything larger will make it actually too hard to unhook. I am locked in.

I wrapped the hook and carabiner with duct tape to silence them. It works fine.

Everything can be purchased, except for the shock chord, at strapworks.com.
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Peter. Awesome stuff. Thanks for sharing.
 
Ok this is just crazy genius here, well done. I haven't read all 16pgs, sorry if this has been covered. Using the lineman belt lose like this appears if/when you do slip, it's not going to catch you before the ground does.
Ok with that out of the way, how far are you climbing between steps? Again this is sweet concept, well done.
 
kenn1320 said:
Ok this is just crazy genius here, well done. I haven't read all 16pgs, sorry if this has been covered. Using the lineman belt lose like this appears if/when you do slip, it's not going to catch you before the ground does.
Ok with that out of the way, how far are you climbing between steps? Again this is sweet concept, well done.
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5 - 7 feet depending on setup

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First off, thank you all for all the great knowledge on the site in general, and for this specific technique in particular. I bought some wild edge stepps a couple years ago, but never really found them all the great or easy to use. Then, I read about pre-stretching the rope, the alternate way to tie the knot via the loop, and this method for climbing. Those three things helped me go from being ready to sell them, to be ready to sell my sticks.

Just a couple notes from dialing in the system for myself yesterday:

I bought an adjustable single aider for the swaider part - I find it is easier to keep it a bit long, clip the carabiner in, and then pull the step up.

Kniader I made from a loop of webbing, one of the hooks mentioned above, and a random strap from one of my Kifaru packs/pockets/something.

The connection of the knaider to you leg isn't load baring, but should be stronger then maybe you think. If you kick out, like I did a couple times, it will get some force on it. And if you loose it while up in the tree, getting down could get interesting.

I still kick out occasionally with the wild edge steps - think I am trying to go too far between steps, and my swaider isn't on my foot as security as is needs to be. It's freaky for sure, but you are still totally safe, so just work on getting yourself righted and continue on.

This method is way more physical then climbing steps, so don't underestimate the work it will take. That said, I am not a little guy or in all that great of shape, but within 30 minutes I was able to get over 15 feet with just three stepps without too much trouble. Could see 25+ with 5 stepps easy.
 
Dumb question. Has anyone used the knaider/swaider method on LW sticks instead of stirrups? I always have problems getting my boots into the stirrups and would like to know your thoughts?
 
Roccosdad215 said:
Dumb question. Has anyone used the knaider/swaider method on LW sticks instead of stirrups? I always have problems getting my boots into the stirrups and would like to know your thoughts?
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I think G2 had a video on this. It is on his YouTube channel and possibly here as well. Not sure if it is the LW sticks but it is on sticks.

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Girth hitch a continuous loop of amsteel to bottom of stick. Need two on each stick, one for knaider, one for swaider.

Yeah, see g2’s vid

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Great info in this post, marked it as a favorite. Looking forward to gathering the gear to make these steps part of my quiver. Thanks for sharing
 
Looking to order the materials. Estimating 20" for boot loop(plus tag end for stitching) and 12" of strap to connect to hook(plus tag end for stitching). On the swaider do I just add 22" to the 12", effectively giving me equal steps of 22"?
 
Blitzboy9 said:
How high are you getting with each step? How many steps to get to 25’?
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Think the answer to you question will depend a lot of physical condition and how tall you are. I'm 6'2 and pretty flexible. I found that the swaider cannot be much taller than your hip or you will not be able to down climb (line wont get taught). When climbing I can reach my swaider up around head high comfortably and still be able to step up to lock on the knaider. That being said it is more comfortable and easier for me personally to attach the step around my upper chest. Given my complex drawing I can get up to around 25' with 4 stepps using my platform as an extra smaller spaced step. Haven't found a good way to measure actual height while in the saddle but I generally carry 5 steps and just stop climbing where my best cover and views will be.
 

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