nah, get the pro
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i have these and almost got the lighter one, but i'm glad i didn't
i'm a gear hound, so i can see myself getting the lighter weight ones one day just in case they become useful for some reason
anyways, i put those and my down top layers in a sea to summit compression sack and carry them in
here's why i love those pants
i can walk in with base layer bottoms and ultralight bib overalls, even though they are just jean weight, the camo overalls keep everything together and wind not blasting up your backside
climb the tree with the saddle over the bibs
then pull out the kuiu down pants, they are full zip sides so you can either zip down half way top and bottom or fully unzip and put on like diaper, put them on right over your bibs and saddle without removing boots or anything
once adjusted, just the bridge of my saddle is sticking out
super warm and no sweat on the way in, one of the few things i've bought full price and not regretted
they aren't super quiet, but clothing noise (unless crazy) is a bit of nonissue (if you can barely hear it from 1 foot, then a deer can't hear it 10 yards away enough to be alarmed), and plus your upper body is what you move most when shooting....sound intensity drops with the square of the distance, so at 1 foot the sound is around 100 times more than at 10 feet
i never thought they were loud enough to cost me an animal...deer have better hearing than a human, but it is nothing compared to their nose
hiking companies make these also for way cheaper, but most are a noisier pure nylon shell and most don't completely unzip....they might unzip all the way to the hips but they don't disconnect fully if you want to do that