Rappel Rope, Friction Hitches, Tender

[cheecho67]

Yes I was thinking of that and definitely will look further on that even though I have watched pretty much all your videos just need to get comfortable with tying knots and actually climbing.


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[cheecho67]

Are you building an SRT system? If so, then I would agree that this is a great combination. The last piece is deciding what retrievable anchor(s) you prefer. For me, if I could only use one anchor, it would be the Maverick hitch. Let me know if you need any help. I have a lot of info growing on my website too. That's what I do. Cheers

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So you put that dishwasher tube for your garda foot loop how did that go?


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[Brocky]

Two Blake’s hitches can be used to easily descend, alternate pushing down on each, one holds while the other slides. Increasing the speed of working the hitches showed that equalized pressure on both allowed them to slide at the same time, sharing the load.

I know this is another dumb question but, has any used an ATC with a hitch above to rappel? I’m looking to use a VT or a schwabisch hitch above my ATC. Has anyone had any experience with these?

This is one method, device has the keeper cable cut off.

So which hitch is more dependable? The longhorn agile ,the agile hitch or the ascender hitch? What’s your go to? And anyone else’s input is welcomed.

I prefer the Sticht, WLR with various braidings, and for a quick easy double eye cord, preferred over a loop, the last hitch shown is five wraps and two half hitches, one in front and one in back.

 

[John RB]

So you put that dishwasher tube for your garda foot loop how did that go?


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Great question. I removed it. It wasn't always in the right place, it adds bulk and i just didn't need it.

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[cheecho67]

OK, I’m trying to tie the longhorn hitch. The right side of the hitch looks right ,being that the tail is towards you, but the left side doesn’t look quite right. I think I am following it step by step. Here are some pics. Ok might have issues with pics.

 

[cheecho67]

OK, I’m trying to tie the longhorn hitch. The right side of the hitch looks right ,being that the tail is towards you, but the left side doesn’t look quite right. I think I am following it step by step. Here are some pics.

 

[Dope on a Rope]

Two Blake’s hitches can be used to easily descend, alternate pushing down on each, one holds while the other slides. Increasing the speed of working the hitches showed that equalized pressure on both allowed them to slide at the same time, sharing the load.
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This is one method, device has the keeper cable cut off.
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I prefer the Sticht, WLR with various braidings, and for a quick easy double eye cord, preferred over a loop, the last hitch shown is five wraps and two half hitches, one in front and one in back.
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Can anyone confirm if I got this sticht correct?

 

[Brocky]

That’s it, the “ring” could be a little smaller to keep it firm, rather than wrapping around the rope when loaded. The stopper could be closer to the rope, pay attention to completely tightening it.

 

[chaded]

I have started playing around with the sticht. I love how it breaks effortlessly with weight on it. The problem I am running into is after putting weight on it a couple times it gets to the point where it binds up and I can’t tend it up. I suppose putting something on there to act as a tender would probably help with that. I could be doing something wrong as well.

Is anyone rappelling on this hitch? Or is that a ”no-no”? Seemed to work pretty smooth for the couple feet I was using it for.

 

[Dope on a Rope]

That’s it, the “ring” could be a little smaller to keep it firm, rather than wrapping around the rope when loaded. The stopper could be closer to the rope, pay attention to completely tightening it.

I left it loose because I tied it on a piece of leftover rope and not a rope I will be climbing on. So I’ll either move it or use as a reference

 

[Brocky]

I have started playing around with the sticht. I love how it breaks effortlessly with weight on it. The problem I am running into is after putting weight on it a couple times it gets to the point where it binds up and I can’t tend it up. I suppose putting something on there to act as a tender would probably help with that. I could be doing something wrong as well.

Is anyone rappelling on this hitch? Or is that a ”no-no”? Seemed to work pretty smooth for the couple feet I was using it for.

Sounds like it might be tied wrong, are you crossing the ends in the back once or twice?
You should be able to descend with it as long as it’s not too fast.

 

[chaded]

Sounds like it might be tied wrong, are you crossing the ends in the back once or twice?
You should be able to descend with it as long as it’s not too fast.

I believe I am crossing twice for one full twist. These pictures I had one more wrap on the coil then I usually was doing just to try.

 

[Brocky]

The extra wrap will help, but it looks like the ring is too big, which makes it wrap around the rope and allows the twist, done correctly, to loosen up and allow slack from the wraps to move downward. It tightens up while the eyes would get a little bigger.

 

[chaded]

The extra wrap will help, but it looks like the ring is too big, which makes it wrap around the rope and allows the twist, done correctly, to loosen up and allow slack from the wraps to move downward. It tightens up while the eyes would get a little bigger.

So making the ring smaller should help? Also, when I take the two ends to the back of the rope and make the twist, do I flip the twist up before bringing the ends back through the ring? I hope that makes sense. If not I will get a picture of what I am talking about.

 

[Brocky]

The smaller ring should stop the binding. I have the ends go down before going back through the ring, I’ll have to try your way to see how it works.

 

[chaded]

The smaller ring should stop the binding. I have the ends go down before going back through the ring, I’ll have to try your way to see how it works.

I tried it again and made the ring a out as small as i could. Barely enough to get the rope through. After I put weight on the hitch the ring stretches out really big. I’m sure I’m not doing something right. Here is some photos of the steps I took.

 

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After putting weight on it. Notice the ring stretched out.

 

[Coachschaller]

Is anyone rappelling on this hitch? Or is that a ”no-no”? Seemed to work pretty smooth for the couple feet I was using it for.

I did a practice emergency rappel with it and it worked well for the 12 or 15 feet. However, it did get really hot even as I went very slowly.

 

[Brocky]

I first made the ring like you show, but changed it to just looping around. The end from the bottom wrap forms the ring and the end coming from the top passes through the ring to the back. Both hitches in picture show how it’s done, bottom one has some added cover for the ring. Next step would be the twist in back.

 

[chaded]

I first made the ring like you show, but changed it to just looping around. The end from the bottom wrap forms the ring and the end coming from the top passes through the ring to the back. Both hitches in picture show how it’s done, bottom one has some added cover for the ring. Next step would be the twist in back.
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Ok. So twist in the back and then the ends back through the ring? Then over the carabiner. After going over carabiner do the ends go back through the ring? I have seen some where they go under the ring and tucked between the rope and twist in the back and then form stopper knot?