justsomedude
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I like the carabiner gate facing out away from the tree with the large end down. Easy to clip in quickly and I like the extra room for redundant connections. But with a Prusik ABOVE, you might want it the other way
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Ropeman Safety
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Thanks for the info.
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Hey guys, just some more information about the Ropeman 1 and falls. Basically, under dynamic loads, it would strip the rope sheath at 3.5kN. And in one test it severed the rope completely. For a tether, I don't see the Ropeman providing a ton of advantages over a prusik. It's more expensive, and just as easy to adjust a prusik (I need two hands to take up the slack in a tether regardless. One to hold the tag end of the rope, and one to slide the ascender/prusik up towards the girth hitch). Lineman's belt is a different story. They're worth their weight in gold for the one handed adjustability there.
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justsomedude
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I explain that every time some one asks about a Ropeman.
It there is NO reason we should be hitting our Ropeman with 3-6kn.
DONT climb above your tether (One stick climbers are often doing this). Keep slack out of yoour tether (which is 100 times easier to do when you have a Ropeman).
As for there being no advantage...maybe for you.
I just got Ropeman 2 to use on 9mm rope
I explain that every time some one asks about a Ropeman.
It there is NO reason we should be hitting our Ropeman with 3-6kn.
DONT climb above your tether (One stick climbers are often doing this). Keep slack out of yoour tether (which is 100 times easier to do when you have a Ropeman).
As for there being no advantage...maybe for you.
I just got Ropeman 2 to use on 9mm rope
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The petzl connect adjust in my opinion has advantages over the ropeman without the shortfalls. It has been tested with static 80kg factor 2 falls. Static breaking strength is 15 Kn. At 4 kn, the device begins to slip, increasing the dynamic safety factor.
I also have to agree with what's being stated above. If you always take up the slack in your system, whatever devices you are using, there is never a reason to generate the kind of force that would cause failure.
I also have to agree with what's being stated above. If you always take up the slack in your system, whatever devices you are using, there is never a reason to generate the kind of force that would cause failure.
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I mean that's the thing, it can be used safely and effectively, but we've all seen videos with people having slack in their tether or lineman's belt because they simply didn't know any better. I was guilty of it in my One Stick video, and even Andrew did it in his Stepp aider video. Plenty of people in this thread now know what their capabilities are. Overall, I think there are still more people that have and use them than there are who fully understand what they were and weren't intended for. I've had people send me pictures of fall arrest tethers for their tree stands that they made using the original Ropeman.
When just used as a tether at hunting height, the only advantage for me personally is space and weight. The downside is cost. I usually find myself using two hands to take up slack at hunting height because they're both freely available. One hand to hold the tag end tight and the other to move the ascender. Which is the same way I'd adjust a prusik. I know I could do it with one hand, but it's just as easy for me one way vs. the other. What makes them so awesome for my lineman's belt (Ropeman 2, 8mm) is that I don't always have that second hand freely available.
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I agree with the limited usefulness of a ropeman on a fixed tether. I've made the same comment on this forum many times. However, on a LB there's nothing better. I use it every single hunt. It's a critical piece of kit for me.
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I am not disagreeing but there is no way my Blake's hitch moves even remotely as easily as the ropeman. Maybe mine are tied wrong but after it has been under a load I have to fight mine to get it to move at all. Probably not as bad now that I have an Ernie platform but when I was on Ameristep I would have to lean against the tree and do some arm around the tree stuff to loosen my tether.
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I pull the tag end up for one hand operation of the ropeman.
Just trying to figure out how you guys are moving a Blake's hitch or prussic so easily. Mine never move that easily. I have to sit and pull the wrapped parts apart to get them to move at all.
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Just trying to figure out how you guys are moving a Blake's hitch or prussic so easily. Mine never move that easily. I have to sit and pull the wrapped parts apart to get them to move at all.
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justsomedude
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Dwade,
When you get your setup right, you don't need to adjust your tether. But when you DO need to adjust your tether....it can be a drag.
I have a few ropes set up with Prusiks or Blakes. I had to go to fatter rope for the prusiks. But I still need two hands to use them so I have to hang up my bow etc...
When you get your setup right, you don't need to adjust your tether. But when you DO need to adjust your tether....it can be a drag.
I have a few ropes set up with Prusiks or Blakes. I had to go to fatter rope for the prusiks. But I still need two hands to use them so I have to hang up my bow etc...
Only time I adjust is when climbing with aider only and if I change from sit to lean at hunting height.
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What do you think about the kong duck? The tooth design is very similar to the ropeman 1, but the biner has a separate hole that it goes through. In theory the duck should have similar problems to the ropeman 1 but I've never heard anything.Hey guys, just some more information about the Ropeman 1 and falls. Basically, under dynamic loads, it would strip the rope sheath at 3.5kN. And in one test it severed the rope completely. For a tether, I don't see the Ropeman providing a ton of advantages over a prusik. It's more expensive, and just as easy to adjust a prusik (I need two hands to take up the slack in a tether regardless. One to hold the tag end of the rope, and one to slide the ascender/prusik up towards the girth hitch). Lineman's belt is a different story. They're worth their weight in gold for the one handed adjustability there.
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Agree with DWade on this point. Ropeman definitely adjusts more easily than a prusik. Last season my ropes got soaked in a downpour and my prusiks were practically immovable after that. Really liking the ropeman for BOTH linemans and tether.
As said, it can absolutely be used safely - just need to be aware of not relying on it for fall arrest if you have slack in your line.
justsomedude
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Dwade,
Only if you are free climbing and especially, climbing above your tether. I posted about this in another thread.
If you watch the DIY Sportsman youtube where he does his one stick climbing. He is at the top of his stick with a lot of slack and the tether is set at his feet. If you fall from there, you are going to the hospital.
Only if you are free climbing and especially, climbing above your tether. I posted about this in another thread.
If you watch the DIY Sportsman youtube where he does his one stick climbing. He is at the top of his stick with a lot of slack and the tether is set at his feet. If you fall from there, you are going to the hospital.
justsomedude
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Just to clarify....The Ropeman isn't going to magically bite your rope in half. If you are standing on your platform and it completely fails and you 'fall', you are going to be fine.
I climb using my one aider with it but constantly move my tether as I climb so I can sit and rest anytime. I do hang from it. So much easier to adjust during the aider climbing than a Blake's hitch or prussic. Other than that I use it at height and have it weighted 99% of the time.
I'm open to anything and want to be safe. If there is another piece of equipment I can use I'm for it but I bought two ropemans last year. I don't mind the prussic if I could get then to adjust easier.
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I use a ropeman 1 on my tether and also on my bridge do adjusted to make it small and I use a figure 8 on the end of the rope as a backup on both and connected into my carabiners
I found a fall force calculator last night. It showed 285 lbs falling two feet on 10' of static rope to generate about 17 kn of force. I would like to try another calculator but that was what it showed.