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Ropeman vs Prusik (is it necessary?)

Yep. Was thinking the same. Changed my cord its a bit bigger but still well with in the ratio. I think that will help a lot.

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Sorry, I wasn't very clear with my question. What I meant to ask is what kind of prussik knot are you using? Is it the one in this photo, a standard prussik? You're right that a larger diameter cord helps reduce binding.
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@TonyGreenway that setup is slick. Wish I would have seen that about two days ago lol. Think that's the type of setup I'll have on my backup rope. Think the ropeman is going to make a huge difference and I'm glad I went ahead and ordered one but I enjoy seeing these other methods I never knew existed.
 
Oh. Yeah a standard prusik. I am going to run with that for a bit see how it goes before changing.

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Oh. Yeah a standard prusik. I am going to run with that for a bit see how it goes before changing.

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10-4. If it keeps binding, and you decide to try a different hitch, let me know. There's a thread that will be helpful. Good luck, and be safe!

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Link to how you made that? Slick!
Sorry, I know I said I'd make a video, but it's so simple, it doesn't call for it.
I used 1" tubular webbing I had left from my Knaider/Swaider project, and a metal dee ring I salvaged from an old tool bag. I sewed it together with a Speedy Stitcher.
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First, I fold one end through the dee ring, and sew it shut.
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Tah-frickin-dah! Easy as can be. It's not pretty, but it works like a charm.
 

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Sorry, I know I said I'd make a video, but it's so simple, it doesn't call for it.
I used 1" tubular webbing I had left from my Knaider/Swaider project, and a metal dee ring I salvaged from an old tool bag. I sewed it together with a Speedy Stitcher.
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First, I fold one end through the dee ring, and sew it shut.
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Then, I fold the other end over and sew it shut with enough room to pass a carabiner through the loop.View attachment 6452View attachment 6453
Tah-frickin-dah! Easy as can be. It's not pretty, but it works like a charm.
Tah-frickin-dah indeed! Simple yet so effective. Thanks for the step by step with pics.... very helpful. Thanks for all your help and input.
 
That is very impressive and looks easy to use one handed. My only complaint is how bulky it looks. Weight wise may be about the same as the ropeman though.
 
I took an old D ring and accessory cord I had laying around. It literally took less time than undoing the prusik and tying a klemheist. I had a klemheist before the prusik with different rope. I didn't seem to function well. I'm thinking the rope had a lot to do with it. I may try it again with this new rope but not seeing the need to.

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It may look bulky but it really isn't and I haven't weighed it but I am betting a metre of 6mm rope and D ring is a far sight less weight than a ropeman.
That is very impressive and looks easy to use one handed. My only complaint is how bulky it looks. Weight wise may be about the same as the ropeman though.

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I just put a tender behind my prusik on my LB. Works well and cost was 0 since I had it laying around. Probably not as slick as a ropeman 1. It lets me tighten 1 handed. But to let line out I need 2 hands. The prusik does need to be dressed once in a while something you don't need to do with a ropeman 1 obviously. Something to consider

I see myself picking up a couple over time but for now I'm good.


I have used a prusik in conjunction with a pulley on my lineman's belt for the last couple of years. It makes it a one handed operation (not sure why you were unable to let out with one hand), but as you say it does need to be dressed every so often. It is also a bit bulky and is not the cleanest operation (there is a good amount of play/slack within the hitch) and you won't get the immediate grab like you would with a ropeman. There also tends to be a bit of sag/stretch within the hitch which can make fine adjustment difficult.

All that to say that I recently bought 2 ropeman ascenders to use with my saddle setup. I'll keep my old setup as a backup. I'll attach a photo of the type of hitch I used with my prusik tending setup. (example, not my actual setup)prusik tending pulley.jpg
 
Cool idea, but I feel like you guys are makingit too complicated. A klemheist which stays directional with the tail end through the anchor biner works great. And is simple...new link....other one was too big
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11ujzj2-JRDt4gc-NT9eMQX_SEirHQiQC/view?usp=drivesdk

Did no one see this post? just curious. No need to over complicate things with more hardware in my opinion, at that point might as well use a ropeman........the link is to a video I made, couldn't get it to post, so don't be afraid of the link :)
 
Did no one see this post? just curious. No need to over complicate things with more hardware in my opinion, at that point might as well use a ropeman........the link is to a video I made, couldn't get it to post, so don't be afraid of the link :)
Yes that's what I was referring to when I liked the setup but said it seems a bit bulky with the extra rope. Sorry I'm still getting used to the site. Will make sure to start reply so everyone knows which post I'm referring to. Thanks for the advice and cool setup. Definitely gives people a lot of different ways and options to try out. I came into the saddle hunting thinking you had ropeman OR prusik knot and have quickly found out there's tons of alternatives.
 
Yes that's what I was referring to when I liked the setup but said it seems a bit bulky with the extra rope. Sorry I'm still getting used to the site. Will make sure to start reply so everyone knows which post I'm referring to. Thanks for the advice and cool setup. Definitely gives people a lot of different ways and options to try out. I came into the saddle hunting thinking you had ropeman OR prusik knot and have quickly found out there's tons of alternatives.
Gotcha, No worrries! No extra rope at all, think its a 6' length. literally no changes to the setup, just run the tail end through the biner from the opposite side that the hand you are going to use is.
 
Cool idea, but I feel like you guys are makingit too complicated. A klemheist which stays directional with the tail end through the anchor biner works great. And is simple...new link....other one was too big
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11ujzj2-JRDt4gc-NT9eMQX_SEirHQiQC/view?usp=drivesdk
I agree that a klemheist works great. However, I like how short I can make the whole assembly when I use a schwabisch, keeping it near my hip and allowing me to cinch up close to the tree when used on my LB. It also has less wasted motion than with a valdotain tresse or klemheist while tightening. What I mean is, there is almost no slack in the system after tightening. I lean forward and pull the tail at the same time. Once adjusted to where I want it, I lean back into my LB and there is practically zero travel to regain tension. (see above video) I have used a klemheist on my arborist rig, and liked it quite a bit, but fell in LOVE with the valdotain tresse (VT) the first time I tried it. It, too, is longer than I care for when used on a LB, so I only use it on my tether. As a matter of fact, I haven't used it on my Mantis tether, because of the long bridge. I'll probably shorten it, thus allowing the use of a VT with a comfortable tether attachment height. Good call on the Klemheist, though. GREAT friction hitch.
 
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I have used a prusik in conjunction with a pulley on my lineman's belt for the last couple of years. It makes it a one handed operation (not sure why you were unable to let out with one hand), but as you say it does need to be dressed every so often. It is also a bit bulky and is not the cleanest operation (there is a good amount of play/slack within the hitch) and you won't get the immediate grab like you would with a ropeman. There also tends to be a bit of sag/stretch within the hitch which can make fine adjustment difficult.

All that to say that I recently bought 2 ropeman ascenders to use with my saddle setup. I'll keep my old setup as a backup. I'll attach a photo of the type of hitch I used with my prusik tending setup. (example, not my actual setup)View attachment 6475
This, sir, is a valdotain tresse (VT) with a pulley tender. It is my preferred setup on my arborist rig. I don't use a pulley tender on my hunting rig, because of the potential for metal-on-metal noise. I tried it out at home, and just felt paranoid that I was going to ruin an oppurtunity with an unfortunately timed clink. Probably overkill, but I need all the help I can get. LOL When I shorten my bridge, I'll be running a VT with my strap/dee ring tender. Just a word of advice: twigs, leaves, and other such debris can find it's way into the weave of a VT when working your way up the tree. Check it before putting your weight on it. I've seen more than one climber have a close call due to this. Granted, they were arborists, and were climbing through the brush of trees and limbwalking. Still, we can never be too safe, right?
 
Did no one see this post? just curious. No need to over complicate things with more hardware in my opinion, at that point might as well use a ropeman........the link is to a video I made, couldn't get it to post, so don't be afraid of the link :)
Totally screwed that up my apoligies. Somehow I was thinking you added a ropeman to it. I agree its slick. Ill be giving a number of options a try this year till I find what I like most.

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