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So, why?

I started saddle hunting out of a need for a smaller tree stand. I was in college, in a dorm room that was about 18' x 18' with another bow hunter. Add in 2 Desk, beds, mini fridges, clothes and school stuff, there wasn't much room left for tree stands. I didn't want to leave it in the bed of my truck. So I set out and found saddles, specifically the trophyline, I could carry into my dorm room in a back pack. Then I began to see all the HUGE benifits of saddle hunting and wonder why very few people used them. So I started the thread over on AT, it has snowballed from there. That was 12 years ago.....

Thanks,
Boswell

Bobby when I was researching the Trophyline I watched all of your videos on YouTube and the more I learned the more I realized that saddle hunting was the best method to get into those spots, other hunters couldn't. Thanks again those videos kept me interested in finding and hunting from a saddle, as well as JohnEberharts videos. Back then the Trophyline was pretty much the only saddle available until they stopped making them. Thankfully New Tribe filled the niche and we have all benefitted from their excellent products the Evolution and most recently the Kestrel. I can't even think of going back to a traditional stand after using a saddle for all the reason that many have pointed out.

Thanks,

Roger
 
yeah I know. Ill never hunt out of anything other than a saddle again.

I'm just saying telling some new guy to the saddle universe that its lightweight completely depends on other factors. Like saying a lock on is light weight as long as you preset your trees and leave your lock on pre hung.

When I started out..I said to myself hell, this isn't light (sticks). Ive seen other guys post the same thing when in their "why I sold mine" confessions.
I have no stake in whether this saddle thing catches on...Ill probably have more success the less it does. I still want to help other guys, but I'm not trying to "sell" them on it. This is what I experienced.


SB220 the funny part is I have not been able to sell many of my good hunting buddies on using a saddle. Most have shown little interest in even trying it. Many of them are set in their ways and aren't really open to trying anything new. To me, if anyone gives saddle hunting a fair chance they will be hooked too!

Thanks,

Roger,
 
Will be my first season but my reason was simply to improve as a hunter. This system will get me out of my comfort zone and help me learn to be more effective. I expect there will be a ton to learn just by what this opens up. Getting in any tree is a game changer. Bonus has been stumbling into this forum after hearing John E on W2H and finding the wealth of knowledge here and having a group to share the journey with as I go.

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Welcome, Kelly and all great points! I have learned a ton on this site, everything from stitching to SRT and everything in between, many things that I would never have tried or experienced unless someone here didn't try it or post it.

Roger,
 
You guys talk of the weight difference, but weight is completely dependent on your climbing methods. Saddle hunting is typically just as heavy as lighter climber or lock-on options. Saddles just open up more climbing options because they are basically a climbing harness.

My days of carrying 5 sticks sucked...they seemed heavier and more uncomfortable carrying than my summit climber. But I did it for the benefit of stealth and "any tree" option I had with the saddle

Saddlehunter has really brought a wealth of knowledge as far as climbing options. This forum and its members have changed my game for sure


Absolutely about weight difference, and it also depends on how high you hunt. I'll still never get rid of my lone wolf hand climber. Not much heavier than sticks and packs way better. It will probably still get some use, especially in mornings to save time. But for me I can use just an aider to climb with the saddle and it's a MAJOR weight difference. Time consuming, but super nice for long walks which was one of my reasons for going this way. Another one was tree choice, I move around a lot and need options. I also thought it would help keep my back from hurting sitting in a tree stand but I'm finding it still gets sore with a saddle.
 
There are SOOOOOOOOOOOO many reasons to switch. I'll pick my top 3.

1. Cost - There's no need to buy multiple Saddles. You only need one. I suppose you could carry your tree stand in and out with you every hunt, but that's a royal PITA.

2. Weight - The lightest Lone Wolf stand is 11 lbs. Then you need to add a Safety harness. That's another 2-5 pounds. Your Tree stand is about 15 lbs. The Kestrel completely setup is about 5 lbs. That's a 60% weight savings. Add in 2-3 lbs for your platform and you're still at about 50% weight savings (7-8 lbs).

3. Fun - I dare someone new to try a saddle for 3 hunts and see if the don't have fun hanging there and moving around. It's waaaaaaay more fun than a traditional stand.

I could go on an on about stealth, noise, hiding from the deer, etc. But that's enough for now.


Cost is debatable lol, it's pretty hard not to try all this new stuff you guys post!
 
I don't so much hate the weight of sticks and stands as much as I hate the bulk of them.
The saddle fits on my waist of inside my pack with no excess bulk and nothing to snag brush.


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Human beings are creatures of habit, and momentum is difficult to break. One of the main reasons, is that once in your comfort zone, you put blinders on to the reality of the bigger picture.

Ok - what I meant to say, is that most hunters, like all people, aren't interested in seeing the benefits of hunting from a saddle because they can't visualize why it would be any better than what they are doing. They can't do that because we are programmed to think our current situation is the best thing ever. It takes fluke events in your life (meeting someone who hunts out of a saddle), someone who's known no other way (son of a saddle hunter or someone introduced to hunting with saddles from the get-go), or someone who isn't satisfied with 'the way things are' for long enough to sniff them out.

It was a progression for me. What's funny is my first stand was a hang on from cabela's that weight about 9 pounds. And 10 AMERISTEP STRAP ON TREE STEPS. I bought the steps at a local sporting goods store because they were there lol, no thought was put into it. I had no idea how far along the lightweight/mobile spectrum that first setup was though. I bought my first and only climber a couple years later because my friends all looked at me funny with my setup. I thought I wanted to fit in (I was 16 haha).

Over those early years, I was hunting mostly private land with friends and preset stands, so neither got much use. They were always in the truck, and rarely got used because it was much more convenient to use what was already there. Plus, surely the guys in the hunting club or the landowner knew the best spots.

When some of those opportunities started drying up, and I started hunting public land, I didn't have much success. I was forced to learn how to hunt better. In that process I learned two very important things: The "deer camp" guys didn't know S&*% about hunting, and that climbers severely limited where I could hunt. Another large contributing factor is I hunt the only public land in Louisiana with some major elevation changes. To be successful there you had to be in shape and pack light.

I moved away for several years and fell into my other passion of spearfishing while living in south Florida. But the itch to chase deer never died. I made a trip home to hunt that property again to show some friends around. I went in my parents attic, and dug out that hang on and the 5 strap on steps I hadn't lost yet. They stuck their 30 pound climbers on their back, and we humped it in deep. we found a nice area to hunt loaded with sign. They spent 45 minutes tromping around their spots looking for a tree that their climber would fit on, with no branches. I got downwind of the trail I was hunting, found a magnolia tree I could sub in some branches for steps (and cover), and got about 15' up with my little hang on and those steps. I shot a nice 8 point that came cruising through while the other two both came away tired, disappointed in the effort to get in and out with their stands, and never hunted with me out there again.

A turn of events with work led to me moving back to Baton Rouge shortly after. I immediately refocused on deer hunting, and knew I needed to supplement the 5 strap on steps I had. Turns out they had a little trouble with the recipe lol, and didn't make them any more. I tried the climber again and it reminded me in short order why it wasn't suitable. I ended up picking up a set of muddy short sticks, and a lone wolf assault hang on. I relegated that old cabelas hang on to yard shooting duties.

I really started to increase deer sightings and kills with this setup and a bit of experience under my belt. One thing that I didn't care for was the difficulty in remaining safe setting up the sticks and being in the stand. I work in plants for a living, and am no stranger to safety harnesses. But I heard and saw some of the horror stories about suspension trauma. I quickly did the math and realized that those harnesses work great in an industrial setting, because you're never working alone. I wanted the ability to self rescue, and being hung from the back of the neck didn't sound so appealing. I made the switch to a climbing harness, and again, I hit another milestone in the journey. Being comfortable tied in at the waist, facing the tree, was integral in opening my mind to a saddle.

I was already using the strap on steps I had left over (on a new longer strap) on the base of trees to get a little extra height out of my climbing sticks. I also always kept one on my belt in case I could use a combo of that and branch to get extra height, or to hang my pack, etc. I still couldn't quite accept that the answer was 25 pounds of metal. in my search for a better way I found a post on the 1stick climbing method. I didn't even finish reading it before I was in the yard trying it. That was probably the biggest change besides switching to slings/saddles.

Now I could get to the spot with less weight, I needed to tackle the fact that I simply cannot get comfortable for long sits in a hang on stand. Sitting is such an unhealthy thing for humans to do on a regular basis, and my body made sure to let me know about it early and often in my hunts. I did some browsing and bought a guido's web after seeing a handful of reviews and videos on youtube. It is hands down the most comfortable "sitting" device I own, and that includes recliners and couches haha. The only problem with the web was hunting south Louisiana, its usually too hot to be comfortable.

I made the commitment at that point to hunt down a saddle - which led me here. After a quick browse, I realized I could get into a sit drag for a few bucks, and then figure the rest out along the way. I now have a single tote that holds my climbing stick/aider, SRT equipment, guido's web, kestrel, two sit drags, two homemade slings, a few climbing harnesses, and climbing hardware. for kicks, I weighed the whole thing and it came in a pound less than my climber/harness/molle straps combo.

I still have my hang on and my climber, as I have a hard time getting rid of hunting equipment (I call them hunting tools, and a man should never sell a tool, because a man can never have enough tools). But odds are they won't see the hunting woods with me for some time.

I like the saying "I reserve the right to change my point of view if the facts change." The facts have changed in my hunting world. I've kept an open mind, and paid attention to the little details of what works and doesn't. I also like to eliminate excuses. I found lots of them along the way in my hunting journey. Now, it is simply my hunting skills versus a deer's survival instincts. The tools for the hunt all fit into my backpack.

I have a couple of friends who listen to me talk about the benefits. But I also have learned the look of a person who is in their comfort zone. They have no incentive to change because what they are doing works. What they can't see is that their definition of success is far too conservative. And you know what, I like it that way. If we all saddled up, those vast expanses of public hunting property would shrink in a hurry. So, here's a toast to the climber carrying, ratchet strap clacking, brush busting guys out there pushing the deer my way!
 
Yeh, sorry guys I got carried away. Probably should have just left it at "I wanted to carry less crap in the woods and be more comfortable, and cheers to all the folks who don't"
Lol. That works too, but your first post was better!

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I left out one of the major reasons I even began to consider a saddle, even before I ever used one. I found a saddle much easier to setup than hanging a lock on. I hated the struggle of hanging a lock on, finding an acceptable tree, getting it level, etc.
 
You have to leave climbing methods out of it when comparing Saddles to Lock-on Stands.

Saddles are approximately 50% lighter, unless you're willing to hunt without a Safety harness in a tree stand. But then you're not really comparing apples to apples.

Some of the ultralight climbers like the X stand ultralights are actually lighter all around than most saddle setups when you add in the climbing method. HOWEVER, with climbers you are severely limited on trees.

Cost is debatable lol, it's pretty hard not to try all this new stuff you guys post!

I guess where I was going with the Cost factor is if you were going to setup multiple spots and leave a treestand at each spot. That can add up fast. If you're buying 1 tree stand and carrying it in and out with you every hunt, then there wouldn't be much difference.
 
You have to leave climbing methods out of it when comparing Saddles to Lock-on Stands.

Saddles are approximately 50% lighter, unless you're willing to hunt without a Safety harness in a tree stand. But then you're not really comparing apples to apples.

Some of the ultralight climbers like the X stand ultralights are actually lighter all around than most saddle setups when you add in the climbing method. HOWEVER, with climbers you are severely limited on trees.



I guess where I was going with the Cost factor is if you were going to set up multiple spots and leave a treestand at each spot. That can add up fast. If you're buying 1 tree stand and carrying it in and out with you every hunt, then there wouldn't be much difference.

X2 What G2 said but I would also add that walking in with saddles is way easier plus setting them up is way quieter as well. I used to cringe walking in the dark with the brush and branches clanging and banging off the stand as I walked to my hunting location.

Thanks,

Roger
 
I've always been kind of a "balls to the wall" hunter so-to-speak lol. I've never been a guy to sit in one spot for long and I will move until I find the deer. I had been using a huge API climber for years and killed a ton of deer from it. When I started getting into filming more and packing a camera arm the weight got to be an issue. At the same time I had met some new friends and we started leasing some ground and I found myself hating the climber all the time and started using preset lock ons. I'm not exactly rich, so I always bought the cheapest there was and found out quickly they weren't comfortable AT ALL! In 2014 we leased a new place in Ohio and I was in need of several set ups for different spots. I had been looking into the Guidos Web for a couple years and had always talked myself out of it. I decided that year I was buying the web and going all in and ditching the stands completely. I ended up finding a used web and a set of Muddy Pro sticks together and bought them. I had seen the one stick climbing method by cbigbear on youtube and gave that a try the same week I got the web and loved it! The web was still a little heavy but it was half the size of my climber and made a lot less noise so I was just happy as could be that year and hunted with it and the one stick the entire time and killed two bucks from it that year.

After getting a feel for saddle hunting and being opened up to a whole new realm of possibilities the tinkering started :D I ended up selling all of my stands and had enough cash to buy an Evo. I hunted with that for a while and found I really liked just using the top belt of it and leaning into it. I took the Evo all apart and I used the belt only for the second half of my season in 2015. Toward the end of that season I started hearing about the SitDrag and thought "perfect! and it's even lighter!" so I got one of those and modded it. I used that for my entire 2016 season and loved how simple/quiet/comfy it was, but in the back of my mind I knew it probably wasn't the safest since I didn't like to use a RC harness.

So that leads me to this year and the new Kestrel! I was skeptical when I first heard there was a new one coming out but as soon as I saw the video release I had to have one. I am still figuring out what I like best and tweaking a few things, but I can see this being my saddle for a long, long time.

That's basically my saddle journey so far. I have converted several of my hunting buddies as well, even after being made fun of for this "crazy way of hunting!" :D
 
You have to leave climbing methods out of it when comparing Saddles to Lock-on Stands.

Saddles are approximately 50% lighter, unless you're willing to hunt without a Safety harness in a tree stand. But then you're not really comparing apples to apples.

Some of the ultralight climbers like the X stand ultralights are actually lighter all around than most saddle setups when you add in the climbing method. HOWEVER, with climbers you are severely limited on trees.

Yeah I agree with that.

#1 for me that beats any other stand is the ability of keeping the tree between you and the target until the opportune moment. Best camo ever
Even if they see you they don't seem to understand

Ive been full draw on a doe to my left and last second realized a 12 had stepped out in front of me. With him looking at me I said..."screw it" and swung around on him. He did a little duck and just stood there staring at me.....buck down
 
I really like the smaller silhouette I feel like I cast in the tree using a saddle. Being a leaner in the saddle, I feel like I blend in better among the vertical background than I do using a more traditional stand. Sitting against a tree in a traditional stand makes me feel like a big blob on the side of the tree. I get noticed less by deer looking up into the tree when I'm the saddle.
 
Hey Flinginairos, bet you did not know this....you actually got me a going with the Guidos Web and you don't even know me, nor do I know you other than on SH.
I was deeply thinking of buying the web for 2 or 3 yrs and when I watched Flinginairos videos, I pushed the order button and now I'm stuck in the web and love it. I have tried the SD but after 30 minutes I found that the SD was not for me (period).
So all I can say is, "Thanks Flinginairos and Mr. Guido (Butch), you both have changed my life as a hunter, forever."
 
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