Are duck kongs after than RP1 if you fall a foot or two?
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Are duck kongs after than RP1 if you fall a foot or two?
Learn JRB your ropes are tight and always anchored on the tree. It could save your life. I am 69 and learned how.Haha like I said, I might already know the answer. I felt like I was gonna fall with a lineman’s belt so I switched to this method.
I put on a 4'oplux bridge with stopper knots. I used sterling TRC one long piece, I tied I Michoacan friction hitch on my bridge rope to a prusik on bridge loop, then closed the cord with a hunters bend. I had a Amstel bridge and was not comfortable with it. Same both sides. Adjustable length and position on the loop. Great.@redsquirrel I highly recommend we sticky this thread. Not only that, also that the text of this article be copied and pasted into a post here, since the link could get broken.
One of the more interesting things I gleaned from this is that dyneema does not take a dynamic shock very well. This applies to all the amsteel bridges that are being used. I may replace my amsteel bridge or at the very least not use it for any method (climbing or shooting) that introduces slack into the system.
Friend of mine fell on sticks while connected. Stitches in his jaw and groin. Almost cut his femoral artery...Ok so which scenario is worse? ...
1. You are standing on a stick. Only your tether is connected and you have 1' of slack in the system. The stick fails and gives way.
2. You are standing on a stick. Only your lineman belt is connected. The stick fails and gives way.
Thoughts?
Why learn JRB? Why not learn Ddrt or SRT? Always anchored to the tree as well and easier to learn.Learn JRB your ropes are tight and always anchored on the tree. It could save your life. I am 69 and learned how.
Not always but typically SRT involves mechanical devices. Also you have to tie an anchor for SRT, not needed for JRB. DRT is harder on your rope as it's a moving rope system so your rope is moving over a limb or crotch with your body weight on it. More friction to fight. Vs JRB is a stationary rope system. Less friction to fight in JRB, hitches are not weighted when moving. Garda hitch has a small amount of foot weight on it to keep the rope taught for moving, very little.Why learn JRB? Why not learn Ddrt or SRT? Always anchored to the tree as well and easier to learn.
As someone who switched from Drt and Srt to JRB i can tell you JRB is cheaper, easier and quieter.Why learn JRB? Why not learn Ddrt or SRT? Always anchored to the tree as well and easier to learn.
How is his system cheaper than 75’ of predator and that’s all? Everyone has their climbing methods and I get it but everything you mentioned is opinion. I’ve tried all 3 and I can say in my opinion SRT is much easier because of mechanical advantage, DDRT is much cheaper and I’ve never had an issue with noise on presets…As someone who switched from Drt and Srt to JRB i can tell you JRB is cheaper, easier and quieter.
You are correct in that SRT would either involve a mechanical or at least the addition of a rope wrench. Tying an anchor is as quick and easy as tying or looping on the garda foot loop. As far as Ddrt more friction yes but that friction is also useful because it allows the friction hitch to break and move after being loaded. In my experience the friction hitch (or end of the climbing rope I use for a Blake’s wears out way faster than the climbing rope going across the bark. My current rope is on year 4 but I began using a split tail system so that I wasn’t replacing climbing line, only hitches. JRB will have this same issue unless you are buying high dollar heat friction cord which would also last longer on other rope systems. Also if you use a self tending hitch while you climb Ddrt, you never have slack in your system of any amount. In JRB’s system you have slack every time you stand into the garda foot loop. He does his best to conceal that by quickly adjusting both hitches at the top of his standing move but his bridge(s) drops every single time, and that means slack. Yes it’s a redundant system. But the knots are harder to tie than traditional climbing knots and the method isn’t endorsed by any manufacturer or climbing instruction institutions. His system of no knots at the tree only work on trees with ideal crotch clearances otherwise you are tying those knots in the dark at the tree. That plays a factor in my mind every time I see a video because for every one tree with a perfect crotch, I find 10 spots with tight crotch trees. I am glad you guys like the climbing system. It’s important to feel safe and familiar with how you get up the tree, but in my opinion that system is not something that should be taught to new or barely seasoned rope climbers over the internet… it’s far too complicated and “evolved” for thatNot always but typically SRT involves mechanical devices. Also you have to tie an anchor for SRT, not needed for JRB. DRT is harder on your rope as it's a moving rope system so your rope is moving over a limb or crotch with your body weight on it. More friction to fight. Vs JRB is a stationary rope system. Less friction to fight in JRB, hitches are not weighted when moving. Garda hitch has a small amount of foot weight on it to keep the rope taught for moving, very little.
I digress, its much cheaper than SRT bc you dont need the mechanical devices. DRT is the cheapest bc all you need is like you said 1 line of rope, but DRT falls short in that you “have” to isolate a branch, and the biggest flag, the fact that the rope is moving over a crotch every stroke of the climb is a huge NO GO for me. Jrb solves all of those problems. stationary rope, doesnt matter if you isolate a single branch or many, tying the hitches can seem overwhelming to some but they are actually extremely easy to tie and inspect. And as you said most if my opinion, ive used all 3, and when looking at these 3 methods taking into account cost, ease, quietness. JRB checks all those boxes where the other 2 fall short. The only good thing for SRT is how easy the actual climb is but the whole point for some is to not have all that metal in a climbing system. With that said if i were 200+ lbs i woukd probably opt for SRT for ease of climb but id imagine JRB can do well at higher body weights also. DRT was a little “work” even at my 155#. My biggest atta boy is that we have methods now that bring us away from climbers or the one i could never wrap my head around which is sticks. All the rope methods to me are much safer which is a big box check.How is his system cheaper than 75’ of predator and that’s all? Everyone has their climbing methods and I get it but everything you mentioned is opinion. I’ve tried all 3 and I can say in my opinion SRT is much easier because of mechanical advantage, DDRT is much cheaper and I’ve never had an issue with noise on presets…
I am 69. And I can JRB with ease. If you can stand up, sit down, and raise your arms, you can JRB. How much easier do you need it? Cost, either one needs rope. SRT typically uses expensive active mechanical devices which you forgot to mention and include in the cost comparison. Easier... For SRT you have to get your rope up and over a crotch or limb , same as JRB. Plus for SRT you have to tie your anchor... Not needed for JRB. Then you have to attach your mechanicals to the SRT rope. While you doing all that for SRT your already climbing in JRB. I am missing how SRT is easier. You'd have to explain that thought process in detail to help me understand.How is his system cheaper than 75’ of predator and that’s all? Everyone has their climbing methods and I get it but everything you mentioned is opinion. I’ve tried all 3 and I can say in my opinion SRT is much easier because of mechanical advantage, DDRT is much cheaper and I’ve never had an issue with noise on presets…
Well good to have debate and hear your thoughts. At 69 I would not call the hip thrust in DRT easy by any stretch of the imagination. Slack, yes your bridge may or may not get some slack in it. It depends on your upward move. For me, I have my arms up and my hands on the bottom of my hitches while sitting. When I push down and back to stand up to the apex, for a moment. My hands are pushing my hitches up at the same moment in time that I am making that momentary standing move. The movement of the hitches and the leg straighting are the same moment in time. If you wish you can do what your mentioning, that is stand, then move one hitch then the other hitch. But for me that is both harder and slower.You are correct in that SRT would either involve a mechanical or at least the addition of a rope wrench. Tying an anchor is as quick and easy as tying or looping on the garda foot loop. As far as Ddrt more friction yes but that friction is also useful because it allows the friction hitch to break and move after being loaded. In my experience the friction hitch (or end of the climbing rope I use for a Blake’s wears out way faster than the climbing rope going across the bark. My current rope is on year 4 but I began using a split tail system so that I wasn’t replacing climbing line, only hitches. JRB will have this same issue unless you are buying high dollar heat friction cord which would also last longer on other rope systems. Also if you use a self tending hitch while you climb Ddrt, you never have slack in your system of any amount. In JRB’s system you have slack every time you stand into the garda foot loop. He does his best to conceal that by quickly adjusting both hitches at the top of his standing move but his bridge(s) drops every single time, and that means slack. Yes it’s a redundant system. But the knots are harder to tie than traditional climbing knots and the method isn’t endorsed by any manufacturer or climbing instruction institutions. His system of no knots at the tree only work on trees with ideal crotch clearances otherwise you are tying those knots in the dark at the tree. That plays a factor in my mind every time I see a video because for every one tree with a perfect crotch, I find 10 spots with tight crotch trees. I am glad you guys like the climbing system. It’s important to feel safe and familiar with how you get up the tree, but in my opinion that system is not something that should be taught to new or barely seasoned rope climbers over the internet… it’s far too complicated and “evolved” for that
Yeah.that stix thingI digress, its much cheaper than SRT bc you dont need the mechanical devices. DRT is the cheapest bc all you need is like you said 1 line of rope, but DRT falls short in that you “have” to isolate a branch, and the biggest flag, the fact that the rope is moving over a crotch every stroke of the climb is a huge NO GO for me. Jrb solves all of those problems. stationary rope, doesnt matter if you isolate a single branch or many, tying the hitches can seem overwhelming to some but they are actually extremely easy to tie and inspect. And as you said most if my opinion, ive used all 3, and when looking at these 3 methods taking into account cost, ease, quietness. JRB checks all those boxes where the other 2 fall short. The only good thing for SRT is how easy the actual climb is but the whole point for some is to not have all that metal in a climbing system. With that said if i were 200+ lbs i woukd probably opt for SRT for ease of climb but id imagine JRB can do well at higher body weights also. DRT was a little “work” even at my 155#. My biggest atta boy is that we have methods now that bring us away from climbers or the one i could never wrap my head around which is sticks. All the rope methods to me are much safer which is a big box check.
YoI digress, its much cheaper than SRT bc you dont need the mechanical devices. DRT is the cheapest bc all you need is like you said 1 line of rope, but DRT falls short in that you “have” to isolate a branch, and the biggest flag, the fact that the rope is moving over a crotch every stroke of the climb is a huge NO GO for me. Jrb solves all of those problems. stationary rope, doesnt matter if you isolate a single branch or many, tying the hitches can seem overwhelming to some but they are actually extremely easy to tie and inspect. And as you said most if my opinion, ive used all 3, and when looking at these 3 methods taking into account cost, ease, quietness. JRB checks all those boxes where the other 2 fall short. The only good thing for SRT is how easy the actual climb is but the whole point for some is to not have all that metal in a climbing system. With that said if i were 200+ lbs i woukd probably opt for SRT for ease of climb but id imagine JRB can do well at higher body weights also. DRT was a little “work” even at my 155#. My biggest atta boy is that we have methods now that bring us away from climbers or the one i could never wrap my head around which is sticks. All the rope methods to me are much safer which is a big box check.
Ddrt is 75’ of predator rope no mechanicals needed. That’s as cheap as it gets.I am 69. And I can JRB with ease. If you can stand up, sit down, and raise your arms, you can JRB. How much easier do you need it? Cost, either one needs rope. SRT typically uses expensive active mechanical devices which you forgot to mention and include in the cost comparison. Easier... For SRT you have to get your rope up and over a crotch or limb , same as JRB. Plus for SRT you have to tie your anchor... Not needed for JRB. Then you have to attach your mechanicals to the SRT rope. While you doing all that for SRT your already climbing in JRB. I am missing how SRT is easier. You'd have to explain that thought process in detail to help me understand.
My guess is you have never built a JRB system and you have never climbed JRB. So now your a self pro-claimed expert in a rope climbing system you have zero experience in. But you trying to convince those of us with hundreds of hours of experience with the system that your "expert" opinion out weighs all of ours. Those of us who built are own system and have used it extensively. But you know more about the system you never built or used because you what, have video expertise. Really? Please tell me I am wrong and that you built and used it extensively to reach your informed position.Yo
Ddrt is 75’ of predator rope no mechanicals needed. That’s as cheap as it gets.
SRT can be done with mechanicals but $100 for a belay device isn’t that bad. Other than that it’s a friction hitch and an additional pulley. Further more you could save $35 on rope by only using 40’ instead of 75 or 80. The distance difference can be made up with 50’ of paracord which is like $5. So the cost isn’t that different which you add all the additional hitch cord you need for his system.
If I’m climbing SRT, and I “tie” in a basal anchor, I can throw on a gri gri and a hand ascender as quickly as you tie in a garda foot loop. If I’m performing a canopy anchor it takes a few seconds longer to whip it up there but the mechanical is so much quicker than sit, stand advance, sit stand advance on hitches that I see that as a time wash.
Look I am only saying with JRB you are using hitches that aren’t tested or approved by any climbing institution orcertified instructor. The system is not a simple system and unless you hit the perfect smooth wide crotch, you’ll be tying those knots in the dark in the woods. Otherwise you’re severely limited on tree selection. I just don’t see any of the “advantages” over simple traditional rope climbing methods. Even descending now are you going down the same way you climb up or are you tying in a super Munter? (Which means you’re tying more knots in the woods which his claims are you don’t do using the system)like I said I don’t see any advantages for cost, ease of use, and the only “advantage” in safety is redundant tie in but you can do that while SRT climbing with a hitch above the mechanical and with Ddrt if my hitch messed up for whatever reason, I could still lower myself to the ground using arm strength and my tie in point as additional friction (because half my weight is supported by the friction over the crotch). Again the perception of his system as superior is just not there for me.
Anyway sorry to off track a great post about dangers of falling. I will not reply further if you guys would like we can PM to continue talking on the advantage of different rope climbing methods. Hope everyone had a safe thanksgiving