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The Good Old Days

My 1st safety strap was a piece of yellow nylon 1/2” rope my dad spliced together. I’d probably been cut in 1/2 if I fell out of the tree with that thing on.

Maybe I’m just romanticizing over my childhood, but it seems like every deer that was killed back then was a toad. I know I killed a bunch of 3 pointers, but the grown folk always seem to kill at least 1 monster a yr. They all looked like this, in my head anyway.
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It was probably factors like fewer hunters, easier access to land to hunt, bucks having less financial and social value merging with the few folks who really knew how to hunt.
 
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How many of you that hunted in the 80’s and early 90’s killed bigger deer then? I’ve been doing some pondering, and it seems to me like more big deer were killed before trophy management became a thing.
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I have hunted 70s thru last year. Now days I usually see deer every time I'm out and that's awesome.
Back in the day it was a rush just to see deer. I have killed nice bucks back then and occasionally nowadays.
I think hunting now is better than ever, most hunters are a little more selective and deer are getting a little age to them, at least
where I'm hunting. Good bucks then and good bucks now!
 
Way more deer around here than there were when I started hunting in the late 80s. Back then, pretty much everyone hunting on public shot the first legal buck they saw. Does were only legal during archery and the last day or two of muzzleloader and gun season. Now we can kill three or four does just in ML season.

It's only in the last 8-10 years that I started passing on small bucks - meaning anything less than 2 1/2 years old. I'm a little more picky now, but I still have days when the first deer to give me a good shot is in trouble, regardless of size.
 
This chart from the GA DNR says a lot.
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Started deer hunting in 1970 or ’71. Hunted private back then, now I’m down to all public and despite that, IMO THESE are the good ole days….for a multitude of reasons.
 
I started hunting in the mid 70's. As a quick summary I'd say that overall deer numbers here in northwestern lower Michigan are similar now to what they were then. What has definitely improved is the quantity of 2.5 to 4.5 year old bucks and a leveling of the buck to doe ratio.

More detail . . . In the 70's the deer numbers locally weren't great but were rebounding from what I heard from older hunters were absolutely dismal numbers in the 60's (for example: don't tell anyone but I saw some tracks by the pines south of town:tearsofjoy:). Bow hunters were pretty rare in those days and a bow hunter pretty much had the woods to themselves in October/early November. Then the rifle army invaded the woods on Nov. 15th and there was someone sitting on every stump available. Because does were considered the means to rebuild the herd it was largely considered bad form in those days to shoot does (an early imprint I still struggle with to this day) and in fact the DNR issued very few doe permits. However, anything with an inch of bone was considered a score. All of this pressure on the 1.5 year old, uneducated bucks meant that very few got to the ripe old age of 2.5 years.

In the 80's and early 90's the does multiplied and the deer numbers hit unprecedented numbers although the herd consisted largely of does. In those days it wasn't uncommon for me to see 60-70 deer on the opening day of rifle season as the herds of does were run around by the influx of the orange army. Bowhunting also became more popular as it was easier to locate and get close to deer with the higher populations. Note, this was before the legalization of cross bows but us "darned compound guys" were definitely cheating in those days.:tearsofjoy:

As the 2000's rolled in crossbows became legalized and bow hunter number increased a bit for a while but I don't think it was really a significant factor. Bow hunter numbers have stayed pretty consistent in my opinion and actually may have decreased slightly over the last five years or so (not counting the 2020 Covid year when everyone seemed to rediscover all outdoor activities). At the same time QDM became more advertised and the hunting shows started showing "influencers" actually passing smaller bucks to target larger bucks. That made it cool to let them grow for the younger hunters. I see this in some of my younger buddies (in their 20's) who routinely pass legal bucks to get a chance at something better. When I was in my 20's I was killing anything with antlers. These guys now shoot does for venison, and are extremely encouraged to do so by the DNR as doe permits are readily available (I think you can buy 10 doe tags per hunter right now in Michigan). Also during this time APRs were implemented in the NW 12 counties of the state (local for me). This has virtually eliminated killing of most of the 1.5 yo bucks in those counties. The bucks gain the benefit of at least another year of antler development as well as improved survival education from more hunter encounters.

I will say in my discussion with hunters, even those who were the most critical of APRs when they first came out now agree they like what the APRs have done to the buck quality available. Are there a bunch of booners running around? No. However, there are a significant number of nice 8 pointers around when they were really pretty rare before. The increased pressure on the doe herd has dropped the overall deer numbers but the herd is in better shape as far as a closer to even buck to doe ratio.

I actually think, from my perspective as a guy who likes to shoot better bucks, that the local herd/hunting is at the best that it has been in my lifetime.
 
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The only thing I miss is having it to myself. Deer size and numbers appear to be comparable, but access is harder. They're here though. And they all ain't small.
 
In PA since they started antler restrictions I have been seeing big bucks and the same with my friends and other hunters that I have talked too. My trail cameras has proven it to me also. I have hunted since the early ''70s and the bucks had a hard time living through two hunting season. But now it's a different story and it seems to be working.
 
I guess it depends on a lot of factors whether things are better or not to you…. Seems like on average outside of the midwest mecca’s where there has always been big ag and giant bucks, things are better than ever in most places. Maybe Kansas in the 90s was a lot better than today with leasing and land access issues abounding and the overall caliber of deer remaining fairly constant
 
I didn't hunt the 80s or 90s, but I belong to a hunting club where we have pictures on all the walls going back to 1935 where you can see my great grandfather with his Elmer Fudd outfit on. Its tradition to get all the guys who got a buck to stand next to their hanging buck and get a group photo. This is a remote 1000-acre club in PA.
Every single year they got nothing but spikes and basket racks. I think 1 year sometime in the 70s a monster 90 in 8 pter was killed. They were pitiful up until the following season when the antler restrictions happened.
Restrictions are by far the best thing that ever happened to deer hunting in PA. We consistently shoot slammers year in year out now. There's no comparison. Now is the best time there ever has been to be a buck hunter.
It's been already said, but a lot of guys just got them and didn't go running to tell everyone and their mothers.
You see this with Infalt where he shot most of his best years ago. He went back into the muck and nastiness to find them and didn't have a platform to tell everyone about it. Now he can't get away from pressure no matter how remote he gets.
 
Similarly to what @elk yinzer wrote about PA, I would say NY is very similar; however with the exception of a few WMU’s further east, antler restrictions have never been imposed on hunters here. Initially, when PA started theirs, backlash was huge and I was hoping NY would follow suit. But I now think the proof is in the pudding so to speak and so many more hunters are educated more now than ever before and the results speak for themselves. PA’s overall age class of bucks has increased substantially since AR’s were imposed and NY initiated a soft program several years ago with the Let ‘em Grow campaign. That being said, I think overall the age classes of bucks are getting older but with all that being said…. I remember seeing some monsters back in the day but not many of us harvested them. Back in the mid-1980’s, my brother in law had a huge double drop tine base ten that he was fortunate enough to get a couple of pictures of with a camera that still had film but had some limited magnification ability. It was something like a canon sure shot and this was of course before the digital age. Anyway we all fell over when he got it developed. He took that one photo to work and he never saw that buck again. I have a theory that although the age class of bucks overall and on average has increased steadily….. and more people are getting more bigger bucks overall, I think that there may be some evidence that there are less overall rogue monsters out there than before. I see a lot of very super nice deer, but I rarely see as many super mega bucks but the magazine’s say otherwise.
 
I didn't hunt the 80s or 90s, but I belong to a hunting club where we have pictures on all the walls going back to 1935 where you can see my great grandfather with his Elmer Fudd outfit on. Its tradition to get all the guys who got a buck to stand next to their hanging buck and get a group photo. This is a remote 1000-acre club in PA.
Every single year they got nothing but spikes and basket racks. I think 1 year sometime in the 70s a monster 90 in 8 pter was killed. They were pitiful up until the following season when the antler restrictions happened.
Restrictions are by far the best thing that ever happened to deer hunting in PA. We consistently shoot slammers year in year out now. There's no comparison. Now is the best time there ever has been to be a buck hunter.
It's been already said, but a lot of guys just got them and didn't go running to tell everyone and their mothers.
You see this with Infalt where he shot most of his best years ago. He went back into the muck and nastiness to find them and didn't have a platform to tell everyone about it. Now he can't get away from pressure no matter how remote he gets.

It was common to see over 100 deer during opening day of rifle season in PA with high hunter success on bucks in ANF. Sure they weren’t Booners, but it was some fun hunting.

There are some slammers now, but most hunters don’t see a handful of deer on opening day in those same areas anymore.

Is it better now? Depends who you ask.
 
This chart from the GA DNR says a lot.
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I started hunting in GA in ‘91 and they only allowed 5 deer total. The place was overrun with them. The private land I hunted on was 1,000 acres and it looked like a park. Everything from the ground to up as high as a deer could reach had been eaten, you could see forever in the woods. The landowner begged us to slaughter them and we did. For years until we got it under control and the ground cover came back.
 
i was well above 20' when i had to slide down to get foot portion. at least it was a slick GA pine and i had on coveralls.

waist strap? dont remember those. i didnt even think about safety until i had kids in the mid 90s. one of the things that got me started on a tree diaper (saddle) was my 3 boys. now i hesitate to climb a tall ladder stand :tearsofjoy:

back when you could buy a stand and it didnt come with safety harness or warning stickers! those were the good ole days. except we shot more pigs than deer cause there were so few deer back then.

i still have my 3 piece Apache 10' aluminum ladder stand from the early 80s. that thing was expensive! that was innovation also (back then).
I certainly resonate with you that personal safety concern grows exponentially as your responsibility grows. Single days= no fear!! Wife and kids can't afford to die and leave your family in need. Heck even when kids are grown and married... now enter grandkids that you don't want to miss growing up.
Taking chances are definitely calculated differently with age and responsibilities.
 
I started hunting in GA in ‘91 and they only allowed 5 deer total. The place was overrun with them. The private land I hunted on was 1,000 acres and it looked like a park. Everything from the ground to up as high as a deer could reach had been eaten, you could see forever in the woods. The landowner begged us to slaughter them and we did. For years until we got it under control and the ground cover came back.

I remember when tags went from 3-5, and they added a bunch of doe days. They made the 2nd weekend of the season a doe day, and man I was stoked. That is until I got an F on my report card. The stinking report cards came out the week before the rifle season opener. I got grounded and wasn’t allowed to hunt the 1st 5 weeks of the season, due to that stupid F. Man I was pissed!


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another blast from the past. i grew up in GA but went to college at AU. i would hunt GA in november and then hunt AL in dec/jan. different deer herds and very different rut times.

in the late 80s in AL, my out-of-state-but-student hunting license was $11 for the year for all hunting. there were no deer tags then. the limits were a buck/day all season + a doe/day for a month or 2. i added it up one time and i could kill 169 legal deer. pretty good for $11.
 
another blast from the past. i grew up in GA but went to college at AU. i would hunt GA in november and then hunt AL in dec/jan. different deer herds and very different rut times.

in the late 80s in AL, my out-of-state-but-student hunting license was $11 for the year for all hunting. there were no deer tags then. the limits were a buck/day all season + a doe/day for a month or 2. i added it up one time and i could kill 169 legal deer. pretty good for $11.

I wish I had gone to AU, I went to GT instead. Hind site is always 20/20. I still love watching AU football though. I’ve been a fan since the early 80’s.


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