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The Knaider in action

GCTerpfan said:
So what if instead of hanging an aider from each step you added a knaider to the other leg but, instead of the hook being at your knee it was extended up to your waist and attached to your belt with a retractable leash? You could then connect the hook at waist level to the step, put your weight in the aider, step up and connect the knaider on your other leg to the step. When you stood up on the next step the retractable leash would probably lift the waist level hook off of the step. This way you are wearing both aiders and nothing has to be moved from step to step. Worth a try?
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GCTerpfan said:
So what if instead of hanging an aider from each step you added a knaider to the other leg but, instead of the hook being at your knee it was extended up to your waist and attached to your belt with a retractable leash? You could then connect the hook at waist level to the step, put your weight in the aider, step up and connect the knaider on your other leg to the step. When you stood up on the next step the retractable leash would probably lift the waist level hook off of the step. This way you are wearing both aiders and nothing has to be moved from step to step. Worth a try?
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It is a great idea. I was thinking something similar, but with a bungee. I am taking baby steps though because I want to be sure I stay safe.

The permanent aider on the step is interesting. Bit concerned about it flopping in the wind, but a gray 1/8 amsteel line is barely noticeable. I had just enough left to make one into a whoppie so I could adjust it as needed for different circumstances. There is no weight to it at all and I can't imagine a volume issue in the bag. Well, I have a bag for ten and now I am down to four or five steps, so I guess volume would not be an issue anyway. I need to make a few more to see how it works at height. With the 1/8 inch though you need good soles because you can feel it for sure. It has to be under your arch. At 1/8 inch thickness it does not impair or interfere with the step's rope at all. @g2outdoors I think you are onto something.

Step with 1/8 whoopie..............

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I would skip the individual aiders. I personally don't like aiders flopping in the wind.

Instead I would adjust your single loop aider to attach to your foot. To make this work you would only need to change your order of operations if you want to continue to use an amsteel whoopie. You would raise your foot and then clip into the stepp with your aider. Then step up with your knaider followed by your foot with aider attached. No need to fish your foot in. Just move the carabiner.

Alternatively, you could use an ascender and adjust the aider length but that would require switching to something other than amsteel. This would give you some options with variable step spacing based on tree type.

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I was on the fence about giving this a shot. After seeing the knaider/aider combo, I will definitely be trying this. I like the idea of two fixed length aiders, one attached to each foot. This on the surface seems like a much faster and easier to manage method than an aider attached to the tether.
 
option 1, kinda like a different spin on this.


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That is slicker than snot! I like it! Only using 4 steps to boot. Great innovation!
 
Between @BassBoysLLP and @g2outdoors I will not sleep a wink tonight.

I think if I flip may whoopie aider upside down, I could just cinch it on my foot, just like it is cinched now on the carabiner. Then I would just put the Biner on the big loop end I am off to the races.

But G2's idea about a single loop fixed to the step has a lot of merit. Things I did not think of until I just tried it. First, it ain't gonna kick out. No way, no how. It is fixed at two points so it is very stable. We have to be concerned about safety because things can go really wrong quickly. That is also what is nice about The Knaider, it is pretty stable once you hook on. But the fixed loop on the step does one more thing. You have to put you Knaider foot between the lines of the fixed loop you are standing on. That loop absolutely locks your Knaider foot in place. I have to admit; dangling on an aider at 20 feet made out of 1/8 rope with no knots that can be adjusted with your pinky when not under tension is a bit weird.

I need some more guinea pigs to go out there and test all this. Your jobs and family can wait. We are running out of time :)
 
You could always have two sets since you only need 5 stepps and you have 10. You may like different sets for different circumstances. For example, an aider attached to your foot maybe a better option when you are layered with cold weather clothing and you need to lift your leg up due to reduced mobility with the clothing.

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How about have the knaider on one leg and the foot cinch aider like in my video on the other leg but add a strap to it to secure it around your knee so it doesn’t fall all the way down between steps. Just reach to your knee and pull up the carabiner end and hook to the next step. Or you can just snap the carabiner end to your harness until you need it on the next step.
 
It may have be said before but you could still use a movebale aider with these by girth hitching a continuous loop on your stepp that you set up above head height when you climb up one stepp it now puts that stepp with the aider right around your stomach in undo girth hitch and move up after setting up next stepp above head repeat process.


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swampsnyper said:
How about have the knaider on one leg and the foot cinch aider like in my video on the other leg but add a strap to it to secure it around your knee so it doesn’t fall all the way down between steps. Just reach to your knee and pull up the carabiner end and hook to the next step. Or you can just snap the carabiner end to your harness until you need it on the next step.
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That is precisely what I recommended above. :D

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I tried cinching the whoopie but it is too thin. Once under load it really cuts into the boot. So I made it out of webbing. Sewed a loop for the foot. Stays nice and tight and it does not hurt the foot. Metal thingy on other end so you can adjust if needed. Carabiner is clipped to my harness until I need to hook in. Works well. Another video will get posted tomorrow or the day after to show how it works. I have climbed the tree so many times today that I was afraid of making a mistake. Great idea guys. Sometimes simple just works. Pete

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Peterk1234 said:
I tried cinching the whoopie but it is too thin. Once under load it really cuts into the boot. So I made it out of webbing. Sewed a loop for the foot. Stays nice and tight and it does not hurt the foot. Metal thingy on other end so you can adjust if needed. Carabiner is clipped to my harness until I need to hook in. Works well. Another video will get posted tomorrow or the day after to show how it works. I have climbed the tree so many times today that I was afraid of making a mistake. Great idea guys. Sometimes simple just works. Pete

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credit goes to @swampsnyper. I just have a very good memory.

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How about an adjustable one step aider like this one. With a knaider on the other leg.

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