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The Knaider in action

The foot loop on the easy aider would make a nice but unnecessary addition to the knaider


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So a couple of thoughts about some of the great comments.

The small hook works. I played with it a bit before having to leave this morning. I can use the bungee two ways. First, tension when initially clipping it in going up, it then loosens and gets pulled off as I step on the knaider. Problem is on the way down when you first clip it in it can come off very easily, until you tension it.

Second is to clip the bungee somewhere where the clip is always under tension with the bungee. Kind of nice. As you get above the step it flips the hook upside down on the step, but stays hooked up. Makes it easy to unhook. I think @swampsnyper made a comment about the safety of using a carabiner. I think I agree. I am gonna try the biner again, with the bungee always under the tension. If I can get the biner to flip upside down automatically as I get above the step, then unclipping the biner is a no brainer. And it is safer.

@BassBoysLLP makes a good comment about dangling upside down. So, I am going back to the same loop I have on the Knaider. A big one with something to cinch it. Right now I am using a plastic tie. I can get it tight enough, it slides easily enough, and it should break away if there is a fall. Plus, that way I do not have the webbing squeezing my foot as it does now. My loop for the Knaider was by accident. Little did I know it would add a lot to the comfort and safety.
 
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Peterk1234 said:
So a couple of thoughts about some of the great comments.

The small hook works. I played with it a bit before having to leave this morning. I can use the bungee two ways. First, tension when initially clipping it in going up, it then loosens and gets pulled off as I step on the knaider. Problem is on the way down when you first clip it in it can come off very easily, until you tension it.

Second is to clip the bungee somewhere where the clip is always under tension with the bungee. Kind of nice. As you get above the step it flips the hook upside down on the step, but stays hooked up. Makes it easy to unhook. I think @swampsnyper made a comment about the safety of using a carabiner. I think I agree. I am gonna try the biner again, with the bungee always under the tension. If I can get the biner to flip upside down automatically as I get above the step, then unclipping the biner is a no brainer. And it is safer.

@BassBoysLLP makes a good comment about dangling upside down. So, I am going back to the same loop I have on the Knaider. A big one with something to cinch it. Right now I am using a plastic tie. I can get it tight enough, it slides easily enough, and it should break away if there is a fall. Plus, that way I do not have the webbing squeezing my foot as it does now. My loop for the Knaider was by accident. Little did I know it would add a lot to the comfort and safety.
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I mentioned it before but maybe you didn't know what I was talking about. A castration band would work perfect for a tensioner on your foot loop. Its just a thick oring. Thats what I use to pinch my girth hitch on my tree tether. Works great.
 
What if instead of using webbing to make the knaider you use 8 or 9 mm rope tie a big prusik and then just girth hitch that around the hook? You could put the double fishermans knot at the bottom for your foot.
 
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I mentioned it before but maybe you didn't know what I was talking about. A castration band would work perfect for a tensioner on your foot loop. Its just a thick oring. Thats what I use to pinch my girth hitch on my tree tether. Works great.
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Ok, had to look that one up. It's real!

Yup, that will do it for sure.
 
Here are some pics of how things look. I was no handed in these various positions, which gives a pretty good indication that I am locked in there pretty good.

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Here you can see what the bungee does once I am above. It flips it up so it is easy to get at and unhook. This helps a lot. Otherwise I would be fishing around and getting my hand in an awkward position to unclip.

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Here is a pic with all my weight on the Waider.

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The Knaider is hooked and ready to be loaded.

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For those of you that are concerned about side loading the Step; it absolutely a non issue. I do not concern myself where I hook on the step ever. Even if you have a shift it will settle in and not move again. I have had it happen on the soft bark of this tree. Secret is to stay calm and let it shift, it will lock.
 
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Here is the vid. I am going very slow since it was my first time going with the new setup. I was sloppy with my lineman's belt management because I was focused what the waider was doing during various stages of the climb. I will be smooth after a couple more times now that I trust it.

 
Good stuff. Does the climbing noise go away if you wrap the bar?

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Pretty slick. Would go a lot smoother without the linemans belt always hanging you up. That why I like the Cain’s method. No linemans belt. I hate that thing...unless I fall.
 
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Pretty slick. Would go a lot smoother without the linemans belt always hanging you up. That why I like the Cain’s method. No linemans belt. I hate that thing...unless I fall.
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Agreed. And some folks will probably give me grief for unhooking it and only once having the back up linemans belt in use :)

But seriously, the linemans belt adds so much stability into the system. A bit weird committing to leaning back all the time, but it just locks you in. Even with all the snags, being unfamiliar with the tree and new to the climbing method, I was up in six and half to seven minutes. Another thirty seconds to set another step for a platform and all that would be left is the hook into a tether to hang. I am pretty happy with this.

You guys gave some great feedback. Thank you. Pete
 
Really nice. I'm with @swampsnyper in that I like getting rid of the lineman's belt using Cain's method but I'm going to have to give this a try. It looks pretty smooth. Nice work!
 
boyne bowhunter said:
Really nice. I'm with @swampsnyper in that I like getting rid of the lineman's belt using Cain's method but I'm going to have to give this a try. It looks pretty smooth. Nice work!
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I've been integrating both. Shorter spacing and no linemans belt when going throw sections of limb. Linemans and further spacing on the clean sections if I need to get high. Otherwise, I just keep them close. 6 stepps...40 feet if I want it.

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GCTerpfan said:
I haven't built and tried the knaider yet but, do you think the second attachment point around your calf helps make the knaider feel more stable? If so it might be worth attaching this to your foot and calf like the knaider.

Also, it might not be a bad idea to climb with both your tether and your linesmans belt when testing some of this stuff out. It will be a little slower but, might save you some bumps and bruises if something doesn't work like you expected.
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You will notice in the pics I posted that the leg without the Knaider will have your knee away from the tree so you cannot attach it around the calf. Plus, it is not needed. Pete
 
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