At this point what is original? Someone tell me right now where I can have a platform cast and I’m in the game too. I’d love to invest some cash I’ve been sitting on.
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Cruzr posting teasing pics of a platform
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ricky racer
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Dang it! Just when I thought I was done spending money on this saddle hunting stuff!! It looks like they took a good design and improved upon it! Congratulations Chad, it looks like another great product!!
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Especially with such a simple machine. It's like someone turning the world on its head with their new longbow design. How often does that happen? With sticks and platforms, the next step will be exotic materials and processes to make them lighter and stronger, but probably with similar designs as before. But those things are super spendy. I've thought sticks and platforms made out of carbon but sheathed in aluminum (like FMJ arrows) might be light and safe but that's gonna be serious coin. Maybe in 10 years, that stuff will be cheaper and we'll all have it. But we have to have companies making stuff while the large tech world evolves around it materials and process wise.
If you look at compound bows, there's enough innovation built up to really make a difference every about 5 years (and that's about how often I buy one). In the meantime, it is small changes and slight tweaks and regurgitating stuff to make some cash. But if that wasn't done, then the companies and industry wouldn't stay afloat enough to actually make noticeable strides every 5 to 10 years.
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I'm blown away that people will overlook design details and try to justify this nonsense with something as simple as "they all have a post". The 1000ft view you have is almost alarming.
Try this on for size.. using a cast I-beam post, with a cast versa button is ONLY on the Predator up to this point.
This isn't a matter of "omg that platform has a post and uses bolts, foul play". This isn't a matter of all cars have 4 wheels.
Look at the damn thing. Chad robbed the design. I'm not a fan of the tethrd guys, but I know something is effed up when I see it. Idc if you have a patent or not. There's a difference between right and wrong.
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huntin_addict
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You should maybe sell everything else you have bought as a consumer and send a cease and desist order to every Asian country, especially China.
MIbowhunter49
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Again, knowingly turning a blind eye.
Come on down from your 10k foot flyover, and look at the saddle market. It's like he found a USB with their (Moderated content) CAD file on it.
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Aren't there only a very limited few companies that cast the ar-15 lower? Then people buy the casting and make it "theirs"...?
huntin_addict
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Really I could give 2 craps. If Tethrd wants to sue him go for it. However, this same exact business model has been in play for quite a while. Like I said, if you are so friggin offended, you better round up most of the stuff you own and crap can it, then find the company that made the original and make amends.
huntin_addict
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Perfect comparison. Hope some of you guys don't own any ARs unless they were manufactured by Armalite. I'll edit and also add, the One stick looks strikingly similar to another design.....just sayin'.
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What the heck are patents for? I say if Tetherd didn't patent there design then too bad for them. If you look at most of the saddles on the market, or platforms for that matter, there really isn't that much difference there. Come on man!
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Comp was in reference to price. Ironically, the two platforms ended up priced identically.
As for looks, I agree the Cruzr will work better for some but I don’t think that’ll be universally true.
Aside from in tree usage, I have to say I’m not interested in carrying one with backpack straps or strung to lumbar pack shoulder straps.
I won’t say that CRUZR doesn’t have a good theoretical design, because it does offer some benefits that other large format platforms don’t for folks who find its design advantageous. We’ve seen saddlehunter members mock up and put together platforms of a similar functional purpose, so it’s clearly meeting a consumer demand.
As for the design comparison to Tethrd’s XL, I believe CRUZR satisfied the legal requirements for property differentiation. To the point that Tethrd should sue, I don’t know that there was anything patentable in their design. This is just my speculation, I have no specific legal expertise.
The shared design elements do, to me, feel like a low blow towards Tethrd. While there are only so many ways to slice a pie, I haven’t seen such a conversation before in the saddle hunting community, despite numerous platform options.
Not that Tethrd doesn’t appear to have taken advantage of design concepts from individuals on Saddlehunter; I’d be remiss to say I don’t know if conversations with those proprietors happened. Nevertheless, company to company, a bit cutthroat.
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At what level is the analysis being done? You could look at this and say anyone who ever made a saddle platform, copied treesuit. Or if you want to drop one more level, everyone who makes a folding platform copied lone wolf.
anyone complaining should read the book “from 0-1”. The nuts and bolts of it - don’t start a business selling a product or service that isn’t wildly different or unique from potential competition. Wildly, as in you have broad protection from your secret sauce and IP law, and you essentially create a monopoly. Otherwise, prepare yourself for a race to the bottom on price. You can whine about it all you want, but this is how human nature works within the framework of free markets.
One of the most important aspects of being covered by IP law, is that your idea doesn’t already exist in the public sphere.
why are there 100 soft drink flavors? It’s sugar, in water. There’s no material difference in the flavors when you really think about it. What’s more valuable - their brand or their recipe?
anyone complaining should read the book “from 0-1”. The nuts and bolts of it - don’t start a business selling a product or service that isn’t wildly different or unique from potential competition. Wildly, as in you have broad protection from your secret sauce and IP law, and you essentially create a monopoly. Otherwise, prepare yourself for a race to the bottom on price. You can whine about it all you want, but this is how human nature works within the framework of free markets.
One of the most important aspects of being covered by IP law, is that your idea doesn’t already exist in the public sphere.
why are there 100 soft drink flavors? It’s sugar, in water. There’s no material difference in the flavors when you really think about it. What’s more valuable - their brand or their recipe?
I really only check SH anymore for Kyle's sagely nuggets. Again, he doesn't disappoint
So... Who made the first saddle? There all getting rich off someone's original design. I can't believe this. You guys all need to sell your saddles. Oh. And your bows because who ever made the first one has had all his ideas stolen. And your guns because there all knock offs of the original ones made.
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I cannot believe the mouth-breathing simplistic responses to this. No one is arguing you can't have a platform, post, and stand off. No one said you can't use a cam strap.
LOOK AT THE TWO, and try to use these stupid, simplistic comparisons with a straight face.
maybe some people don’t take such a surface level approach to right and wrong, don’t subscribe to social norms that you view as important, and have no interest in judging people they don’t know, with little context, or moral high ground to do so.
maybe.
maybe everyone just doesn’t care. I don’t know.
but i know a little about IP law, and business strategy and the western ethos. Nothing here raises my antenna
I like the angled front edge, I think that's a smart feature and interested to try it.
I like all the triggered undie sniffers. It's not like anyone in the saddle game invented the wheel, they simply "honey, I shrunk the treestand" and slapped some cool marketing jazz on it.
I like all the triggered undie sniffers. It's not like anyone in the saddle game invented the wheel, they simply "honey, I shrunk the treestand" and slapped some cool marketing jazz on it.
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